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    Boutons...it's real simple.

    It's a free country. If they don't want to work in the public sector they don't have to.
    It's really simple. It's a free country. If they want to work in the public sector, they have the right to.

    And if employees sign contracts, they have he legal power to demand the other signer (the state) honor the contracts.

    This -the-employee is exactly like the loan business.

    If a Corporate-American reneges on a loan contract (like the MBA did on its HQ building) with another Corporate-American, silence.

    If a Human-American reneges on a loan contract (like underwater mortgage clients), then Corporate-Americans destroy their reputations among all other Corporate-Americans (which includes future employers), will hunt them down, sue them, and harass them for years.
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    12 Things You Need to Know About the Uprising in Wisconsin


    What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."

    Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.

    Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power).

    But he's spinning the measure as something else -- a bitter pill state workers must swallow in order to save Wisconsin's government. So the first things you need to know are:

    1. Wisconsin's public workers have already "made sacrifices to help balance the budget, through 16 unpaid furlough days and no pay increases the past two years," according to the Associated Press. The unions know their members are going to have to make concessions on benefits, but they rightly see the assault on their fundamental right to negotiate as an act of war.

    2. There are already 13 states that restrict public workers' bargaining rights and it hasn't helped their bottom lines. As Ed Kilgore notes, "eight non-collective-bargaining states face larger budget shortfalls than either Wisconsin or Ohio," and " three of the 13 non-collective bargaining states are among the eleven states facing budget shortfalls at or above 20%."

    3. This isn't just about public employees. What even a majority of the protesters don't know is that Walker's law would also place all of the state's Medicaid funding in the hands of the governor. State senator Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton -- one of the Dem law-makers who fled the state to block a vote on the bill -- told local media that this amounted to "substantial Medicaid changes" that put "the governor, all of a sudden... in charge of Medicaid, which is SeniorCare, which is BadgerCare ...and he has never once said what he intends to do” with those programs. But the provision led journalist Suzie Madrak to conclude that "the end game for all this is to defund state Medicaid programs and make it impossible to serve as part of the new health care safety net."

    4. Health-care costs, rather than workers' greed, are what has driven up the price of employees' benefits. But generally speaking, those public sector health-care costs have grown at a slower clip than in the private sector.

    5. Public employees' pensions account for just 6 percent of state budgets.

    This has nothing to do with the state's fiscal picture. Aside from potentially undermining Wisconsin's public health-care system, it's really about destroying the last bastion of unionism in the American economy: public employees. As Addie Stan wrote on AlterNet's front page:

    Walker is carrying out the wishes of his corporate master, David Koch, who calls the tune these days for Wisconsin Republicans. Walker is just one among many Wisconsin Republicans supported by Koch Industries -- run by David Koch and his brother, Charles -- and Americans For Prosperity, the astroturf group founded and funded by David Koch. The Koch brothers are -bent on destroying the labor movement once and for all.

    Consider these facts:

    6. Last year, more working people belonged to a union in the public sector (7.9 million) than in the private (7.4 million), despite the fact that corporate America employs five times the number of wage-earners. 37 percent of government workers belong to a union, compared with just 7 percent of private-sector employees.

    7. Whether in the public or private sector, union workers earn, on average, 20 percent more than their non-unionized counterparts. They also have richer retirement and health benefits -- the “union compensation premium” rises to almost 30 percent when you include those bennies.

    That workers can still negotiate from a position of strength somewhere in the US is simply unacceptable to the right, and that's what this is about. As you might expect, the tool they're using in their campaign is a pack full of lies and distortions about public employees. Here are some answers to those falsehoods:

    8. Public sector workers have, on average, more experience and higher levels of education than their counterparts in the private sector (they are twice as likely to have a college degree).

    9. When you adjust for those factors, they make, on average, 4 percent less than their private-sector counterparts.

    10. Like any group of workers with a high union density, they have better benefits, on average. But even including those benefits, state and local employees still make less in total compensation than they would doing the same work in the private sector.

    11. In 2007, the average pension for a public sector worker was $22,000. Not exactly caviar dreams.

    12. Many public employees are not eligible for Social Security -- those pensions, and whatever they can put away on their own, is all that they'll have in their golden years.

    (Unless otherwise indicated, you can find links to the data for all of the above in my piece, "Right-Wingers Using Public Employees as 21st-Century Welfare Queens.")

    The Right has made great political progress getting Americans to ask the question: "How come that guy’s getting what I don’t have?" It’s the crux of the politics of grievance.

    Progressives need to get Americans to ask a different question: "What’s keeping me from getting what that guy has?"

    At least part of the answer is the Right’s decades-long assault on private sector workers’ ability to organize, and the latest battle is being waged in Wisconsin.

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...g_in_wisconsin

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    When I lived in England, I heard the explanation that English workers looked at the hyper-wealthy and asked "how can I tear them down", where the American worker looked at the hyper-wealthy and asked "How can I become hyper-wealthy".

    The VRWC's war on citizens has turned US citizens into the Englishmen. The VRWC difference is that the VRWC has totally fooled the bubbas into warring against their own interests, rather than warring against the real culprits, the VRWC.

    But who benefits when the VRWC dupes/conscripts citizens into its the war on themselves, busts the unions, and reduces/stagnates all citizens' incomes? The VRWC.
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    Debunking Tea Party Talking Points in Wisconsin


    The Tea Party groups that are coming to counter protest at the Wisconsin state capitol Saturday have been given an strict set of talking points to stick to from their controllers at the Koch Brothers front group Americans for Prosperity. When they arrive on their camels, scratch that, their astroturfing buses from both in and out of state, the following is what you can expect to hear over and over, along with my analysis debunking each point.

    “Quick facts about Wisconsin’s Budget Repair Legislation”

    The plan is about reform: Wisconsin’s Budget Repair legislation is about enacting modest – but critical – reforms to public sector en lement programs that are long past due. The proposal takes on some of the most egregious violators of taxpayer dollars including public employee unions and public sector pensions.

    This plan is about destroying the last stronghold of organized labor in America: the public sector. Union participation was over 1/3rd of the work force 50 years ago, but has dropped to less than 10% today, except in the public sector. This bill is designed to not only go after wages and pensions, but end the ability of state workers to collectively bargain in the future, something that has nothing to do with any supposed budget “crisis”.

    Ending public sector collective bargaining: The plan would end the practice of public sector union bosses strong-arming politicians for exorbitant benefits and absurd contract concessions. The plan rightly calls for an end to the ability of certain public sector unions to band together to pressure policymakers into unnecessary contract concessions.

    Conservative groups like AFP have no interest in preserving ANY collective bargaining. They understand that workers are much easier to control individually, and seek to lower wages, lessen safety regulations, and end grievance mechanisms to maximize corporate profits that go almost exclusively to the rich.

    Respecting the taxpayer: When public sector workers – who are paid with taxpayers dollars – resort to bullying tactics to gain sweetheart contracts filled with plush benefits unheard of in the private sector the taxpayer loses every time.

    This is an attempt to portray public employees as not critical to the state, but these people perform critical functions like plowing snow, fixing roads, and making the government run. Further, it is mysteriously absent why public workers such as firefighters, police, and state troopers unions are exempt from this bill.

    Respecting the public’s trust: When teachers choose not to teach purely to pad their already lavish contracts with taxpayer dollars they are violating a sacred public trust. Using students and their parents as leverage in contract disputes is a tried and true practice of teacher’s unions that must end.

    There is no evidence that teachers have ever pressured students or parents to attend these demonstrations. The value of a strong education depends on attracting talented professionals to schools, not chasing them away.

    Stopping out-of-control benefit costs in the public sector: The proposal would prevent unions from forcing extravagant pension and health benefits on the state that only serve to further cripple state budget. Also, the plan would make the commonsense change that public sector wage increases could not exceed a cap based on the consumer price index (CPI) unless approved by voters.

    o Also, some contracts would be limited to one year and wage rates would be frozen until the new contract is settled

    There would be no serious crisis had Walker not rammed through tax cuts for the rich and big corporations. “Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit, but he and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes — or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues — the “crisis” would not exist.”

    The public vs. private sector: In Wisconsin, private sector workers make 74% of their state-level public sector counterparts. This is the 48th worst pay differential in the nation and clearly shows that the public sector employee unions aren’t hurting for better pay or benefits.

    This is a blatant lie. A study on this issue was just released a week ago that exposes it: “On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers.”

    Paying a fair share: The plan also would help ease the tremendous financial burden placed on the state by its bloated pension plan by finally requiring some public workers to pay their fair share into the program.

    o Overall, public employees would fund 50 percent of the annual pension payment – a total that would require a modest contribution of 5.8 percent of 2011’s salary.

    Again, if the financial burden on the state is being caused by tax cuts for the rich and large, multinational corporations. Walker is deliberately making the budget situation worse in order to break the backs of public unions.

    In typical Tea Party fashion, the talking points are filled with pejorative terminology like egregious violators, strong-arming, absurd contract, bullying, plush benefits, lavish contracts, extravagant health benefits, and bloated pension. They are designed from the top down to give the illusion of a common voice among conservatives about this issue, and like all propaganda, when the points are actually examined in detail, the whole charade begins to unravel.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/18...-in-wisconsin/
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    Politics are so much fun. You have Pelosi and company saying repugs want to shut down government and in Wisconsin you have dems hiding, freaken HIDING so they don't have to vote on the budget. You can't just raise taxes to balance a budget, you need to cut expenses. Cowards are avoiding doing their job they were voting in to do.

    State and Federal governments have been reckless in writing checks other people have to cash. They have way, way, way overspent and thrown way way way too much money at public sector employees, it is time to make some adjustments...and what do they do...they freaken leave town. Oh and the best is the actual protest, the civility our public peeps are showing.

    I don't know one person that is happy with the school system and the people teaching and running them. Not one. I can't think of anyone in here over the years that says that everything is good or even average. People are generally disgusted with our school system and yet in Wisconsin those peeps are being paid on average 50 G's maybe more, they are getting 30 g's in benifits, maybe more and they get 3 months off a year off.

    And freaken barry saying this is an attack on unions. That dude freaken blows.

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    Typical, Jack Can't Read (probably Won't)

    The WI "crisis" being used to beat on employees is totally manufactured by cutting taxes on corporations.

    Another false "crisis" Brewer in AZ to deny organ transplants.

    "Brewer eagerly signed tax cuts for businesses into law last week — cuts that will cost Arizona $538 million by 2018. Yet the governor has dragged her feet in offering the mere $1.36 million needed to save Courtney and her cohort’s lives, and she has consistently ignored 26 possible funding solutions from a member of her own party. "

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/19/...ut-transplant/

    Poor, sick, old, young simply don't enough funds and lawyer lobbyists to counter the $Bs from the VRWC and their VRWC extreme activists in federal/SCOTUS judgeships.
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    How quickly we forget....40 hr work week...employer provided health insurance...workman's compensation...all thanks to Unions...they serve their purpose...

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    Avg UCA working hours are up, while in all other industrial countries the trend is down, to say nothing of 4-6 weeks paid vacation in other industrial countries.

    How can anybody forget dubya's DoLabor upgrading 100s of 1000s of hourly employees to salaried so the wouldn't get any overtime?

    On August 23, 2004, controversial changes to the FLSA's overtime regulations went into effect, making substantial modifications to the definition of an "exempt" employee. Low-level working supervisors throughout American industries were reclassified as “executives” and lost overtime rights. These changes were sought by business interests and the Bush administration, which claimed that the laws needed clarification and that few workers would be affected. The Bush administration called the new regulations "FairPay." But other organizations, such as the AFL-CIO, claimed the changes would make millions of additional workers ineligible to obtain relief under the FLSA for overtime pay

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act

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    So Boutons, WHEN are you moving to Norway?
    He can't. He needs a subsidy to afford it, and I bet their immigration policy requires you have a job lined up, or are independently wealthy, like most other nations do.

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    Boutons...it's real simple.

    It's a free country. If they don't want to work in the public sector they don't have to.
    That's right. They are stupid if they stay there but can find a better job elsewhere. If better pay and benefits aren't available to them elsewhere, then what right do they have to be "en led?"
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    So now it's an 'en lement' to be paid a livable wage with health benefits that won't bankrupt you if you become ill or have a accident?

    Let's cut services many unemployed are using to survive, but give 54 billion of our tax money to oil companies...

    That ain't my America....


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    I hope they all lose their jobs. It is stupid for unionized public employees to continue the money grab in a recession.

    I hope they're fired.

    I hope the unions are busted.

    I hope the children of Wisconsin get real teachers instead of union hacks.

    It's probably already been said but, I think the Wisconsin Unions should have taken a lesson from Ronald Reagan and PATCO. PATCO struck during a recession; Reagan fired them all and was handily reelected next go around.

    The Wisconsin Governor seems to have been paying attention in the 80's.

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    "continue the money grab in a recession."

    You Lie. They have already given up stuff.

    The Kock Bros governor created the crisis by cutting taxes, just like Repugs do nationally.

    Yoni, WC, Darrin are nothing but VRWC/Kock Bros shills.

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    I like how the GOP has sent in their "goon" squad. Just like Mubarak did......it won't work either. "bought" organizer can't beat real ones, because real ones are doing it for their lives and "bought" ones will quit before the malitov's start flying.

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    We need to move beyond the left-right conceptual framework - not to a squishy, suck-up center, but to rather an honest consideration of economic class and a subsequent elaboration of economic rights. Class: America's C-word, a taboo topic that the elites don't want us to think about. Is there any doubt that financial and economic elites don't actively organize and act on their interests? Isn't it about time for America's working class to start organizing and advocating for ours?

    FDR's bill of economic rights is a good place to start:

    Employment, with a living wage
    Freedom from unfair compe ion and monopolies
    Housing,
    Medical care
    Education
    Social security

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    We need to move beyond the left-right conceptual framework - not to a squishy, suck-up center, but to rather an honest consideration of economic class and a subsequent elaboration of economic rights. Class: America's C-word, a taboo topic that the elites don't want us to think about. Is there any doubt that financial and economic elites don't actively organize and act on their interests? Isn't it about time for America's working class to start organizing and advocating for ours?

    FDR's bill of economic rights is a good place to start:

    Employment, with a living wage
    ?????Freedom from unfair compe ion and monopolies ?????
    Housing,
    Medical care
    Education
    Social security
    Other than that reference about monopolies and compe ion that's what responsible people do. They take care of that stuff.

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    So now it's an 'en lement' to be paid a livable wage with health benefits that won't bankrupt you if you become ill or have a accident?
    Sometimes, yes.

    Is it industry standard or not?

    We live in a free society. if they don't like the pay and benefits they have, let them find a better job.
    Let's cut services many unemployed are using to survive, but give 54 billion of our tax money to oil companies...
    Why don't we start by making it viqable bor business to make a profit again, so they can increase the work force.

    Who's talking about giving money to oil companies? Nobody here that I know of.

    Typical...

    When you cannot argue the facts, you make up.
    That ain't my America....
    You don't belong in America. Your utopian dream is nothing but a fantasy.

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    "continue the money grab in a recession."

    You Lie. They have already given up stuff.

    The Kock Bros governor created the crisis by cutting taxes, just like Repugs do nationally.

    Yoni, WC, Darrin are nothing but VRWC/Kock Bros shills.
    LOL...

    You're nothing but Loony Tunes...

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    We need to move beyond the left-right conceptual framework - not to a squishy, suck-up center, but to rather an honest consideration of economic class and a subsequent elaboration of economic rights. Class: America's C-word, a taboo topic that the elites don't want us to think about. Is there any doubt that financial and economic elites don't actively organize and act on their interests? Isn't it about time for America's working class to start organizing and advocating for ours?

    FDR's bill of economic rights is a good place to start:

    Employment, with a living wage
    Freedom from unfair compe ion and monopolies
    Housing,
    Medical care
    Education
    Social security
    The left is already far too organized and destroying this country with their nanny state and en lement mentality.

    Get out and work dammit.

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    It's not only Unions vs Repugs

    It's Repugs vs the lower 98%.

    Here's a good synopsis. VRWC/Repugs intentionally create deficits with $Ts in tax cuts for the wealthy, $Ts for bull , never-ending wars and occupation of the planet, and $Ts lost in tax revenues due to job and property value losses, then they blame it all on the government, at all levels.

    Here's a good summary of the strategy.

    Exposing the Republicans' 3-Part Strategy to Tear the Middle Class Apart -- What Are We Going to Do to Stop It?
    By Robert Reich, RobertReich.org

    http://www.alternet.org/story/149981/

    The Republican strategy is to split the vast middle and working class - pitting unionized workers against non-unionized, public-sector workers against non-public, older workers within sight of Medicare and Social Security against younger workers who don't believe these programs will be there for them, and the poor against the working middle class.

    By splitting working America along these lines, Republicans want Americans to believe that we can no longer afford to do what we need to do as a nation. They hope to deflect attention from the increasing share of total income and wealth going to the richest 1 percent while the jobs and wages of everyone else languish.

    Republicans would rather no one notice their campaign to shrink the pie even further with additional tax cuts for the rich - making the Bush tax cuts permanent, further reducing the estate tax, and allowing the wealthy to shift ever more of their income into capital gains taxed at 15 percent.

    The strategy has three parts:

    1. The Battle over the Federal Budget

    The first is being played out in the budget battle in Washington. As they raise the alarm over deficit spending and simultaneously squeeze popular middle-class programs, Republicans want the majority of the American public to view it all as a giant zero-sum game among average Americans that some will have to lose.

    The President has already fallen into the trap by calling for budget cuts in programs the poor and working class depend on - assistance with home heating, community services, college loans, and the like.

    In the coming showdown over Medicare and Social Security, House budget chair Paul Ryan will push a voucher system for Medicare and a partly-privatized plan for Social Security - both designed to attract younger middle-class voters.

    2. The Assault on Public Employees

    The second part of the Republican strategy is being played out on the state level where public employees are being blamed for state budget crises. Unions didn't cause these budget crises -- state revenues dropped because of the Great Recession -- but Republicans view them as opportunities to gut public employee unions, starting with teachers.

    Wisconsin's Republican governor Scott Walker and his GOP legislature are seeking to end almost all union rights for teachers. Ohio's Republican governor John Kasich is pushing a similar plan in Ohio through a Republican-dominated legislature. New Jersey's Republican governor Chris Christie is attempting the same, telling a conservative conference Wednesday, "I'm attacking the leadership of the union because they're greedy, and they're selfish and they're self-interested."

    The demonizing of public employees is not only based on the lie that they've caused these budget crises, but it's also premised on a second lie: that public employees earn more than private-sector workers. They don't, when you take account of their education. In fact over the last fifteen years the pay of public-sector workers, including teachers, has dropped relative to private-sector employees with the same level of education - even including health and retirement benefits. Moreover, most public employees don't have generous pensions. After a career with annual pay averaging less than $45,000, the typical newly-retired public employee receives a pension of $19,000 a year.

    Bargaining rights for public employees haven't caused state deficits to explode. Some states that deny their employees bargaining rights, such as Nevada, North Carolina, and Arizona, are running big deficits of over 30 percent of spending. Many states that give employees bargaining rights -- Massachusetts, New Mexico, and Montana -- have small deficits of less than 10 percent.

    Republicans would rather go after teachers and other public employees than have us look at the pay of Wall Street traders, private-equity managers, and heads of hedge funds - many of whom wouldn't have their jobs today were it not for the giant taxpayer-supported bailout, and most of whose lending and investing practices were the proximate cause of the Great Depression to begin with.

    Last year, America's top thirteen hedge-fund managers earned an average of $1 billion each. One of them took home $5 billion. Much of their income is taxed as capital gains - at 15 percent - due to a tax loophole that Republican members of Congress have steadfastly guarded.

    If the earnings of those thirteen hedge-fund managers were taxed as ordinary income, the revenues generated would pay the salaries and benefits of 300,000 teachers. Who is more valuable to our society - thirteen hedge-fund managers or 300,000 teachers? Let's make the question even simpler. Who is more valuable: One hedge fund manager or one teacher?

    3. The Distortion of the Cons ution

    The third part of the Republican strategy is being played out in the Supreme Court. It has politicized the Court more than at any time in recent memory.

    Last year a majority of the justices determined that corporations have a right under the First Amendment to provide unlimited amounts of money to political candidates. Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission is among the most patently political and legally grotesque decisions of our highest court - ranking right up there with Bush vs. Gore and Dred Scott.

    Among those who voted in the affirmative were Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. Both have become active strategists in the Republican party.

    A month ago, for example, Antonin Scalia met in a closed-door session with Michele Bachman's Tea Party caucus - something no justice concerned about maintaining the appearance of impartiality would ever have done.

    Both Thomas and Scalia have participated in political retreats organized and hosted by multi-billionaire financier Charles Koch, a major contributor to the Tea Party and other conservative organizations, and a crusader for ending all limits on money in politics. (Not incidentally, Thomas's wife is the founder of Liberty Central, a Tea Party organization that has been receiving unlimited corporate contributions due to the Citizens United decision. On his obligatory financial disclosure filings, Thomas has repeatedly failed to list her sources of income over the last twenty years, nor even to include his own four-day retreats courtesy of Charles Koch.)

    Some time this year or next, the Supreme Court will be asked to consider whether the nation's new healthcare law is cons utional. Watch your wallets.

    The strategy as a whole

    These three aspects of the Republican strategy - a federal budget battle to shrink government, focused on programs the vast middle class depends on; state efforts to undermine public employees, whom the middle class depends on; and a Supreme Court dedicated to bending the Cons ution to enlarge and entrench the political power of the wealthy - fit perfectly together.

    They pit average working Americans against one another, distract attention from the almost unprecedented concentration of wealth and power at the top, and conceal Republican plans to further enlarge and entrench that wealth and power.

    What is the Democratic strategy to counter this and reclaim America for the rest of us?

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    So there you have it (it's not news to me), the Repug strategy as financed by the VRWC.

    The Dems won't do anything, citizens' votes are meaningless as corruption has completely disenfranchised voters, so there's really no stopping the VRWC from raping America and continuing to push it into permanent, terminal decline.
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    The left is already far too organized and destroying this country with their nanny state and en lement mentality.

    Get out and work dammit.
    we're still waiting for the 2001 tax cuts to get us the jobs!

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    "Get out and work dammit."

    good ol' WC, always a non-starter, all VRWC bull signifying nothing.

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    The Unemployed Need Not Apply

    The Federal Reserve is projecting unemployment to continue at or near 9 percent for the rest of the year. That is 13.9 million Americans out of work. Here is more grim news: Barriers to employment for jobless workers may be even higher than previously thought.

    As the Fed updated its forecast last week, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission held a forum on discrimination against unemployed job seekers. Members of Congress had urged the commission to explore the issue, after reading press reports of numerous instances in which employers and staffing agencies refused to consider the unemployed for openings.

    The message — “the unemployed need not apply” — has at times been explicitly stated in job announcements. In other cases, unemployed job seekers have reported verbal rejections after a recruiter or employer learned they were not currently working.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/op...gewanted=print

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    The Unemployed Need Not Apply

    The Federal Reserve is projecting unemployment to continue at or near 9 percent for the rest of the year. That is 13.9 million Americans out of work. Here is more grim news: Barriers to employment for jobless workers may be even higher than previously thought.

    As the Fed updated its forecast last week, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission held a forum on discrimination against unemployed job seekers. Members of Congress had urged the commission to explore the issue, after reading press reports of numerous instances in which employers and staffing agencies refused to consider the unemployed for openings.

    The message — “the unemployed need not apply” — has at times been explicitly stated in job announcements. In other cases, unemployed job seekers have reported verbal rejections after a recruiter or employer learned they were not currently working.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/op...gewanted=print
    “the unemployed need not apply” sounds an awful lot like discrimination. I'm no legal scholar, but I'd like an advocate to look into it and nail those slimy HR mother ers to the goddamn Tree of Woe.

    I think the sentiment WC has, which I share, is that if people with jobs (and the job security federal jobs offer) want to spend their time organizing rallies and ditching work - get rid of them and let someone else that wants to do the job work. Sure, it's a thing to let Corps off on taxes and pin it on the workers...but they're not ing about that, they're ing about Union en lements for positions paid by the taxpayers - positions that aren't getting the job done in the first place.

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    Nationwide Worker Solidarity Meetings Planned

    Check the link above to see if there's one in your area. Of course, there's none in Texas...yet.

    "The labor movement was the principal force that transformed misery and despair into hope and progress. Out of its bold struggles, economic and social reform gave birth to unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, government relief for the des ute and, above all, new wage levels that meant not mere survival but a tolerable life. The captains of industry did not lead this transformation; they resisted it until they were overcome. When in the thirties the wave of union organization crested over the nation, it carried to secure shores not only itself but the whole society."

    Martin Luther King Jr.
    —Speech to the state convention of the Illinois AFL-CIO, Oct. 7, 1965

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    "want to spend their time organizing rallies and ditching work"

    link? or is that just your VRWC-inflamed prejudice?

    How much time do you think NFL/NBA/NHL players spend "organizing" against the owners?

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    we're still waiting for the 2001 tax cuts to get us the jobs!
    "median family income down 8.1% since 2000"

    http://srph.it/i3idhh

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