DIRT should be MVP, not Rose

[Pelicans78]

if dirk was not german would you say that?


rose is by far the mvp

Stop FOOling yourself dude. Dirk is clearly the MVP right now. Way more valuable than Rose.

[ducks]

LOL


dirk got hurt with butler already out

rose is the engine
point guards are the engines of the team

[Pelicans78]

LOL


dirk got hurt with butler already out

rose is the engine
point guards are the engines of the team

Rose is basically a SG out there. The Bulls team defense is the engine. Rose just happens to make plays late to win it.

Even without Butler, the Mavs are winning with Dirk back.

[4>0rings]

[poop]

by your logic, take lebron off the cavs and they are a 15-win team. lebron still looks better by comparison.

and thats why he deserved his two MVPS while he was there. but no way he should win it (or even be top 3) THIS YEAR, when he has a teammate who is a top 5 overall nba player who is dropping 40 point games left and right and also putting up MVP numbers.

and why the is Kobe even in the discussions???

[greensborohill]

I call bull . Rose isn't even in the top 50 in the NBA in adjusted +/- , he's +1.98. When he'sin the game his team outscores the opponent by 6.83, when he's out his team still outscores the opponent by 4.85.

In contrast Dirk is third in the entire NBA behind Nash & Pierce. Outscoring by 11.08 while playing and getting outscored 6.79 while he sits. Couple that with a 41-16 record, 2-7 w/o him, and that's a MVP.

Adjusted +/-

[hitmanyr2k]

Rose is basically a SG out there.

Of course Rose has to make up for the lack of a SG. Who else is going to break the defense down? Keith Bogans? Ronnie Brewer? They don't have the ball-handling skill. Why do you think Bulls fans were clamoring for a trade to get a good SG? It's a glaring hole in the offense.

The Bulls team defense is the engine. Rose just happens to make plays late to win it.

And Rose's defense is apart of that engine. It's just another thing that Rose does that Dirk doesn't. Since some of you love stats so much and all that +/- bull here's one for you....

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.c...-with-defense/

What’s so remarkable about Rose isn’t that he improved defensively (incremental gains are pretty much assumed as young players become more comfortable), but that he improved so early and so rapidly. Rose is just 22, and a year removed from being a part-time liability on the defensive end. Not only has he shattered expectations for his defensive improvement this season, but Rose has a legitimate claim as a plus defender while playing at the most difficult position in the league. Gone are the lethargic sequences where Rose dawdled around a screen or launched into the air at the slightest pump fake. Rose has made a legitimately positive defensive impact, and he has the numbers to prove it.

Joakim Noah, thought to be the single key to the Bulls’ defensive success, has played only 24 of 41 games this season, and yet Chicago is still best in the league in points allowed per 100 possessions. Rose doesn’t deserve all of the credit, but the perimeter trio of Rose, Ronnie Brewer, and Luol Deng has made things tough for opposing teams. It’s a matter of necessity; Chicago’s offense isn’t good enough to keep it afloat, and its defense provides the most consistent path toward victory. If Rose were still a defensive sieve, the Bulls would be struggling without Noah. If Rose were merely a moderately successful defender, the Bulls wouldn’t have the top defense and the third seed in the Eastern Conference. It’s taken every bit of Rose’s defensive improvement to keep the Bulls rolling despite significant injuries to both Noah and Carlos Boozer, but he’s quickly taken to Thibodeau’s famed defensive system and delivered in a big way.

More outstanding yet are Rose’s individual defensive numbers. According to Synergy Sports Technology, Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile.

Rose is particularly effective in defending isolation sequences, where he allows just 0.61 points per possession. Rose’s lateral quickness becomes a huge asset when opponents go one-on-one. In this sequence, watch how Rose goes over the pick with the Sixers’ Jrue Holiday, and yet still stays with him step for step as he drives into the lane:



Admittedly, part of the reason Rose does so well against isolated opponents is his focus. Rose still wanders mentally from time to time, but having an opponent with the ball directly in front of him no doubt creates a sense of importance and urgency. He has no choice but to try to stop him, and this season he’s certainly been more effective.

Strong individual defense, however, involves an understanding of opponent strengths and weaknesses, and a predictive element that enables defenders to beat their opponents to particular spots on the floor. Athleticism aids in those efforts and helps to erase some of Rose’s mistakes, but it’s his more complete understanding of proper defensive technique that has enabled Rose to blanket his counterparts this season. Watch as he defends Indiana’s T.J. Ford:



Rose is clearly playing off of Ford and encouraging him to shoot a jumper, yet he’s quick to shut off Ford’s driving lanes and also to recover when Ford opts for the step-back. Just as importantly, Rose plays with awareness of both Ford’s movements and the ticking shot clock. Even when the 24-second clock nears zero, Rose doesn’t fall for Ford’s pump fakes. He waits, he challenges, and then he smothers Ford’s desperate shot attempt when he has no other choice but to shoot.

He’s effective in defending the pick-and-roll as well, mostly due to his persistence around screens. Rose gets picked off just like every other perimeter player in the N.B.A., but he’s quick to scurry and maneuver back to his man. Rose may be screened, but he’s never deterred. It’s a credit to the Bulls’ bigs that Chicago is so effective in defending the pick-and-roll, but all they can really offer is a window. It’s up to Rose to fight through the screen and recover quickly, to prevent weak-side exploitation of the Bulls’ rotations.

Rose has become relentless. Not perfectly so, mind you, but to an admirable degree. He doesn’t take as many defensive possessions off, even as he carries an absurd amount of offensive responsibility. He doesn’t seem to give up mid-play as often as he did in years past, and instead works diligently to get himself back into defensive position. He doesn’t jump before he should, or take a breather when he shouldn’t. For the first time in his career, Rose looks like he wants to play defense, and it shows.

God Bless Thibs for the impact he's made on this team in just one season