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this is lefty we are talking about. perhaps the biggest butt er on the forum.
cue in a "what makes you a good poster as opposed to me??????
Toni Kukoc
Lamar Odom
this one is debateable but I do know many people felt Kukoc had elite level "vision" ...problem is Pippen played that role on the Bulls so to be fair he did not always get to showcase it ...but I agree with KO based on production consider Odom doesnt alwys get to initiate the offens either a case can be made it's pretty even ...but I have no problem with giving Kukoc a "slight" edge ...
this is lefty we are talking about. perhaps the biggest butt er on the forum.
cue in a "what makes you a good poster as opposed to me??????
The answer is Odom. However, with that said, I think Toni might have been the more talented player than Odom. Not the athlete Odom is but, Kukoc was extremely talented. And I think Kukoc was underused and miscasted in his NBA career. In his prime, on a different team, in a different system, I think he may have shined much more in the NBA. It would have been interesting to see him in his prime as the main guy on an NBA team instead of having to see him defer so much to Michael and Scottie.
Kukoc also game into the NBA later in his basketball career if I am correct. there definitely is a case people could make for him, but I personally feel Odom was more talented.
kinda reminds me of Sabonis though. That dude was a monster of talent, but came to the NBA too late to really showcase them at the highest level for the majority of his career. perhaps Kukoc is better than we saw, we just didnt see it because he played with MJ/Pippen, and came into the league late.
Of course Kukoc is a more skilled player, but so what? Duncan is more skilled than Griffin, but anyone who picks Duncan over Griffin at this point is a dumb re .
athleticism, speed, strength and defense all matter. Otherwise Vaginis would be an NBA star right now.
Odom is a better ball handler as well. Kukoc could not go to his right for the life of him.
Yea I think I'd take Odom over Kukoc right now since Toni is over 40 years old...
Scottie Pippen
Again
More mpg for Odom
But Kukoc had a better vision
Let me help you out son. We are comparing Kukoc vs. Odom in their NBA years.Yea I think I'd take Odom over Kukoc right now since Toni is over 40 years old...
My example was to point out that you don't just pick the more "skilled" player. In their NBA years Odom is the more athletic, faster, stronger, better defender than Kukoc.
Again. try to keep up.
In Jams initial post, he said Odom is a better player. I think it's you who needs to keep up, dumbass.
I am replying to his idiotic response. dumbass
I agree with most of this. But disagree on talent, which I admit is hard to define. I think Kukoc was more "skilled" ... footwork, abilty to create passing angles etc. but Lamar more talented and not just athletically. Jam is right I think Kukoc was never used to his full capabilities though you can make some of the same case for Lamar. I think though Lamar had a higher "cieling" he just never reached it.
People forget that Lamar was the #1 HS player in the nation coming out of HS ...and his first few years (though I thought people were crazy) drew comaprisons to Magic. In fact I remember a local reporter (L.A.)created some controversy by saying the Lakers should trade Kobe for Odom (during the ego wars) because Odom could potentially score 20 but was a more willing passer and would only get better. That was the "talent and potential" LO has/had.
I think Sonny vaccaro (AAU/ADDidas) HS guru ranked Odom with lebron as some of the greatest HS level talent he ever scouted ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 03-03-2011 at 11:41 AM.
Your initial response getting asshurt over people claiming that Kukoc was perhaps more skilled than Odom was the only idiotic response here, dumbass. Especially when most people (except that stupid lefty) was saying Odom > Kukoc.
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Lamar Odom is the complete package, he can shoot, handle the ball, and create his own shot. At 6-10 he reminds of Kevin Garnett, but i think he will be even better. He has a touch in clutch situations (Atlantic-10 Tournament) and is one of the most talented players to come into the draft in recent years. Anything less than # 3 would be unacceptable. The Clippers, and Bulls could use him, but Vancouver already has Shareef Abdur-Rahim. My one knock on him is he can't move without the ball. It is not as bad as everyone says, but with some solid coaching he will be the star of the future.
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Lamar Odom will be one of the top picks in the 99 draft based upon hype alone. Pro scouts were regularily seen at Rhode Island this past year game after game to see this former high school phenom in action. If the scouts thought he wouldn't live up to the hype, however, they would not have kept coming.
What Odom will bring to the court game in and out is versatility. While comparisons to Magic Johnson are completely unfair, its not hard to imagine Odom playing the point or center in the NBA, although its unlikely he will play any position other than SF. He has the court sense and vision of a player several years his senior, and is a solid passer and ball handler, especially for someone his size. At times last year he seemed to be at a different level than his compe ion (and teammates) but did not overextend himself trying to do it all himself.
He also plays tough underneath and will get his share of blocks and boards. If I had to compare him to any current NBA player I'd have to liken him to Danny Manning. I think Odom will be a better player (injuries aside in Mannings case) as he will not be expected to play center and PF day in and out. He also hasn't shown the range yet to be considered a SG candidate, nor the will to take a lot of shots to be a devestating offensive force.
at thgis time Manning was an all-star but injuries had already started to take hold ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 03-03-2011 at 11:49 AM.
lol butthurt
lol better than Garnett
correct
Phillip once again lowering the bar
Which is why your example of taking Griffin over Duncan "right now" doesn't make sense. Shawn Marion is more athlete, faster, stronger, and a better defender than Larry Bird. Oh the dilemma you face...
Again. I am not saying you always pick the better athlete. You consider both, skill and athleticism. Both. Not one.
When both considered Odom > Kukoc just like Griffin > old Duncan.
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