It's a symbol of the freedom to own slaves!
Do you think the general public would care that it was a mirror image? People who choose to wear/display the Confederate flag are free to do so, but with the realization that a good amount of people are free to think of them as racist.
Do I think Kid Rock is racist? No. But because he uses a Confederate flag, some people are bound to.
Of course, Kid Rock, yourself and others can try to change that view of the flag. I just doubt it will be too successful.
Ignorance is one of the most difficult things to combat, especially when the black community like to use it as a racial wedge.
So basically the confederates were a bunch of re ed slave owners who couldn't make a proper flag.
the redneck raised a redneck flag. Wow. shocking
If you were related historically to people who were oppressed by those flying that flag, you might think otherwise.
Tell me, when people wave the Mexican flag at rallies, are you offended by it?
Seriously WC, are you EVER on the sensible side of an issue?? EVER??
whottt used to argue how a black man once owned a white slave.
Threads like these make me miss whottt.
I'm surprise more people don't find old red, white and blue racist. It's was flying over this country before, durning and after the slave era.
Ignorance is especially bad when someone continually paints an entire race with a broad brush
Not with my level of historical understanding. It is clear to me that to disparage someone for a symbol they hold dear, is prejudiced. Aren't we trying to fight prejudice? Now why do the same people who call for stopping prejudice, raise it every chance they get? I'm sorry, I hate hypocrisy.
It depends on what the rally is about. I have no problem with national pride, why, do you? Are you speaking of a party on Cinco de Mayo, or a gathering of people from MS-13? The reason is what matters, not the symbol.
More so than you.
Why is it not sensible to hate hypocrisy and disagree with political correctness? Why are you beholden to the authoritarian control nature of what PC requires? Why don't you believe in the freedoms of this nation?
Have you ever seen a black community, as a whole, that doesn't have a racial mindset blaming whites? I specified community. That does not mean all individuals. I don't consider my words "using a broad brush," like assuming the rebel or confederate flag stands for oppression of slaves. That's a broad brush.
Tell me. What are black community leaders always saying, should I say painting of white people?
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Probably because the union behind lincoln got it right. The confederacy was forced to get it right.
The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery.
Really?So if I disparage the Nazi swastika, I'm prejudiced?
You seriously have a warped view of things sometimes.
Do you think that EVERY person who flies the confederate flag does so only because they support state's rights?
Tell me, do you even know why Kid Rock uses the Confederate flag? Or are you just guessing what he's thinking? Why not use that critical skepticism you love?
I love the two extremes you present. Really speaks to your worldview.
Tell me, if a group of immigrants were to get together for a rally supporting amnesty, waving the Mexican flag, what would you think of them?
And one reason they wanted secession was due to slavery.
That's like saying, "The policeman shot the man because he pulled the trigger." While factually true, it doesn't really explain anything.
Then you try to say you're not using a "broad brush" when you imply that no black community doesn't have a racial mindset against whites.
The south seceded because of slavery.
Actually, yes. If you mean any swastika. Now if you mean specifically, the German swastika, that is different.Really?
Only when you jump to conclusions about what I mean.
No, but that doesn't mean that every person who flies it is a racist either.
I don't know what he's thinking. Do you?
Or does it mean that I recognize there is everything in between too?
That alone isn't enough for me to get a proper impression. Too many possibilities, and I am one who keeps an open mind.
I haven't looked. however, every one I have ever heard blames white people one way or another rather than telling their followers that they need to improve their selves. They all seem to propagate the hatred. The closest I have ever seen in a black leadership role that reminds people it's within their own power for self improvement is Bill Cosby.
I explained that. Didn't you understand?Then you try to say you're not using a "broad brush" when you imply that no black community doesn't have a racial mindset against whites.
There's a public library in SA, which used to be a private residence, and if you step out on the side porch and look up, you see a number of small tile swastikas. After all these years, they're still, to my knowledge, there.
Symbols are strange things, often changing in meaning over time. When the mind numbing, media fanned 'debates' about the Confederate flag pop up, I think about those tile swastikas, still in view on a public building. Whatever the meaning was that prompted their placement once upon a time, it is now something else, though not intended. Yet they remain. A curiosity from a prior age. The true meaning is up for debate and those who point to the original meaning have a good case.
As for the display of the Confederate battle flag these days, the most charitable assumption that can be made is that one who does so wishes to be provocative, rather than celebrating the meaning ascribed to it by the Klan and friends.
There's a difference between a historical curiosity such as the tile swastikas and the loving embrace of a symbol of racial animus.
Though in the defense of Kid Rock and Cobra Commander, both strike me as provocateurs rather than true believers.
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