What I Learned at the Education Barricades

[DarrinS]

Aye, there's the rub.

What "results"?

Standardized testing is ed. The only results that matter are whether they can get through a 4 year degree that gets them a job, or vocational training that offers some semi-skilled certification. IMO.

They need some metric to determine whether you've actually learned anything.

[George Gervin's Afro]

My ideological test is called RESULTS.

Well there are many more successful schools and teachers than there are failing schools and bad teachers... so the results according to you, say the system is working..

your 'results' are based on your ideology

[TeyshaBlue]

Well there are many more successful schools and teachers than there are failing schools and bad teachers... so the results according to you, say the system is working..

your 'results' are based on your ideology

Aye, but the rub is successful according to what metric? Or better yet, what is success?

[RandomGuy]

They need some metric to determine whether you've actually learned anything.

Although I do agree one needs to measure progress, let other countries do the standardized "memorize this" bull .

I want my kids to learn how to think,












if only to keep them from being conservatives. HA!


Seriously though, I think the ultimate metric is whether they are really ready for college. Not sure how to measure that, other than the amount of "grade inflation" and remedial courses required for incoming freshmen

[boutons_deux]

"successful according to what metric"

crudely, HS graduation rate.


college acceptance rate

Advanced Placement numbers for HS grads

college graduation rate.

not that a college education is a guarantee of anything.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think there's a real disconnect between graduation rate and college acceptance rate. As recently as 08, the national average was 38% of college freshmen were required to take remediation courses. In some areas, it's closer to 75%. To me, that devalues the graduation rate as any kind of meaningful metric. It also predisposes college acceptance as the only avenue for success, and I know you don't believe that.