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    Thousands dead, more missing, 5 declared nuclear emergencies, tens of thousands evacuated, cesium detected, aftershocks galore...and Yoni is worried about the impact on us.
    Puro Americano. Or, the legacy of the Enlightenment.

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    What I do know is that if that thing goes you can forget any new nuclear reactors in the United States.
    What exactly leads you to make that statement?

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    this is a cruel joke by 4chan last night.

    that map wouldnt be valid because winds travel counterclockwise in the pacific.

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    As far as winds are concerned, there are winds at a certain al ude that carry from Japan to the U.S.; in WWII, the Japanese tried a bombing campaign where they strapped bombs to balloons and let the wind carry them over to the U.S. The U.S. government hushed up the fact that a few of them landed (not sure if they actually caused any damage, they landed in California I think), and the Japanese gave up when they didn't hear of any success with the bombs reaching the U.S. mainland.

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    As far as winds are concerned, there are winds at a certain al ude that carry from Japan to the U.S.; in WWII, the Japanese tried a bombing campaign where they strapped bombs to balloons and let the wind carry them over to the U.S. The U.S. government hushed up the fact that a few of them landed (not sure if they actually caused any damage, they landed in California I think), and the Japanese gave up when they didn't hear of any success with the bombs reaching the U.S. mainland.
    I think one of those actually did kill someone in Oregon.

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    They're saying that there is now a major emergency situation at another reactor after it got rocked by another aftershock (6.something) just 80 miles from it.

    Japan just can't catch a break right now.

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    I think one of those actually did kill someone in Oregon.

    yeah the guy started tinkering with the bomb because he didnt know what it was

    i actually think my counterclockwise assumption was wrong, and thats the southern hemisphere and not the pacific...but....arctic winds do push counterclockwise so i doubt the distribution would be that uniform.

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    It's all the upcoming supermoon's fault.

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    The jetstream winds will blow from Japan to the United States at about an al ude of 40,000 feet. How the would you get the reactor to that height?

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    Thousands dead, more missing, 5 declared nuclear emergencies, tens of thousands evacuated, cesium detected, aftershocks galore...and Yoni is worried about the impact on us.
    More curious than worried but, what's the matter? I can't grieve for the Japanese without being concerned about what a nuclear plant meltdown might portend for the rest of us?

    You seriously have it in for me that bad that you've got to find something critical to say? Wow...that's disturbing.

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    More curious than worried but, what's the matter? I can't grieve for the Japanese without being concerned about what a nuclear plant meltdown might portend for the rest of us?

    You seriously have it in for me that bad that you've got to find something critical to say? Wow...that's disturbing.
    Oh i think so too. I was just trying to get a handle on where Yoni's concern was coming from and what's flying around the internets right now. It does look like crapola, but the silence of the MSM on such an intuitive threat is odd too.
    Apparently it's O.K. or even expected for the media to look into it, but don't you dare raise the issue yourself, Yonivore.

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    this is a cruel joke by 4chan last night.

    that map wouldnt be valid because winds travel counterclockwise in the pacific.
    Well, someone just made that up that didn't know jack about nuclear. A large single bomb doesn't have that type of spread. This isn't a bomb. Such patterns for high levels of radiation normally go a few hundred miles. Not thousands.

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    "Some are now speculating that increased solar activity could be connected to the recent outbreak of earthquakes, along with fluctuations in the earth magnetic field and possibly HAARP. Massive solar flares have been reported over the past week."

    Who, conspiracy theorists?

    I suppose we now possess a tractor beam to move the plates.

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    I can't grieve for the Japanese without being concerned about what a nuclear plant meltdown might portend for the rest of us?
    What grieving? I thought you were more curious than worried.

    You seriously have it in for me that bad that you've got to find something critical to say? Wow...that's disturbing.
    Thanks for your concern.

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    Apparently it's O.K. or even expected for the media to look into it, but don't you dare raise the issue yourself, Yonivore.
    Not resting content with my initial impression I went a little further with it. My second thoughts did not conform with my snap response. Ho hum.

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    I'm not really familiar with the source, but I found the link at realclearpolitics.

    It mentions the issues with the reactors.

    http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/1...e-explanation/

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    Don't know. I heard only radioactive iodine was released, that there is no threat. As for what they are saying, should I ask my daughter? She speaks Japanese and is making a trip there soon.

    You are talking about the explosion at the 1:44 mark, right?
    You should have read the bit about the tours given at Chernobyl a bit back by MB.

    One of the bits that I got out of that was that shorter half-life = more intense radiation. The Russian authorities were highly criticised because they didn't warn people, and a lot of the initial radiation was from iodine.

    Iodine apparently has a very short short half-life and consequently is highly radioactive. Not something you want to be exposed to.

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    As far as winds are concerned, there are winds at a certain al ude that carry from Japan to the U.S.; in WWII, the Japanese tried a bombing campaign where they strapped bombs to balloons and let the wind carry them over to the U.S. The U.S. government hushed up the fact that a few of them landed (not sure if they actually caused any damage, they landed in California I think), and the Japanese gave up when they didn't hear of any success with the bombs reaching the U.S. mainland.
    Confirmed. Have to dig to find the link to this, but a couple of them did land.

    They actually put bioweapons (anthrax etc) in a couple of them.

    The Japs used bio-weapons on the Chinese in WW2, and there are still areas that have outbreaks of the diseases they used.

    Back to the air patterns, if it gets high enough, it will reach the U.S.

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    You can forget new nuclear reactors in the US
    What exactly leads you to make that statement?
    Seriously?

    This will give ammunition and motivation to anti-nuclear NIMBY.

    Nukes cost too much, are a constant security threat/drain on money, and if something goes wrong, it goes really really wrong.

    Not worth it, in my opinion. By the time you engineer enough redundancy in the systems and make it hardened against suicide 747's, truck bombs, earthquakes, etc, you have jacked the cost beyond all original projections, and could have spent the money elsewhere.

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    You have just been trolled by 4chan..

    edit: beat

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    WH you should probably run a virus scan just for precaution

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    You should have read the bit about the tours given at Chernobyl a bit back by MB.

    One of the bits that I got out of that was that shorter half-life = more intense radiation. The Russian authorities were highly criticised because they didn't warn people, and a lot of the initial radiation was from iodine.

    Iodine apparently has a very short short half-life and consequently is highly radioactive. Not something you want to be exposed to.
    Yes, I do understand that. It had a 15,700,000 years half-life for Iodine-129 and 8 days for Iodine-131. Still, it isn't in a very large quan y, and gets rained out fast.

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    Yes, I do understand that. It had a 15,700,000 years half-life for Iodine-129 and 8 days for Iodine-131. Still, it isn't in a very large quan y, and gets rained out fast.
    Unless of course the meltdowns continue, and they can't contain the reactor beds.

    What concerns me is that foreign news sources seem to indicate problems at more and more plants and reactors.

    Vienna, Mar 13 (AFP) Following the explosion at a quake-hit nuclear plant in Japan, a state of emergency has been declared at a second facility due to excessive radiation levels there, the UN atomic watchdog said today.
    "Japanese authorities have informed the IAEA that the first or lowest state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear power plant has been reported by Tohoku Electric Power Company," the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a statement.
    The alert was declared "as a consequence of radioactivity readings exceeding allowed levels in the area surrounding the plant. Japanese authorities are investigating the source of radiation," the watchdog said.

    According to the authorities, the three reactor units at the Onagawa nuclear power plant "are under control," the IAEA added.

    Officials almost always understate the magnitude of the problem. I think it more likely than not that there is more going on that we are aware of yet.

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    Although the reactors haven't melted down (yet), the increased radioactivity in the surrounding regions shows how dangerous the situation is, and hints at the kind of long term damage to the environment and human health that we'll see in coming years/decades/centuries (depending on the half-lives of the isotopes involved).

    Releasing radioactive elements into the environment will mean increased incidence of cancers, not only in the immediate region, but probably a far more widespread area due to bioac ulation through the foodchain. Don't believe the bull being spread by the Japanese govt and world media that everything is fine as long as the radioactive materials are blown out to sea - everything on the planet is interconnected, and those materials will come back to humans through the things we eat.

    I don't understand why anyone would build a nuclear power plant near a highly active fault line, nor why the world isn't scrapping the idea of building any more meltdown-prone III generation nuclear plants for total investment in IV gen thorium plants which will run off spent fuel rods from III gen and also can't melt down.

    Stupid humans.

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