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    Not that I endorse it, but honestly Joe Johnson already looks like he's in decline, and he's in the first year of a big ass contract. And Johnson for Roddy wouldn't win the Mavs a le.
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    This is just a form of denial. JJ for Roddy B at least adds a dimension to the Mavs that they aren't close to having now. Nothing guarantees a le, but you'd be much better off with JJ in that starting lineup for the next few years.

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    This is just a form of denial.
    Yup. It's hard to get mad at a front office when you try to talk yourself into thinking Beaubois for Joe Johnson isn't a good trade

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    I never have a second favorite team or any of that shyt, it's all one team and all.
    spurs=class

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    Beaubois will be better than Johnson next year.

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    Beaubois will be better than Johnson next year.
    I have a feeling Mavfan will have plenty of "next year" talk with Beaubois as long as ST is around.

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    This is just a form of denial. JJ for Roddy B at least adds a dimension to the Mavs that they aren't close to having now. Nothing guarantees a le, but you'd be much better off with JJ in that starting lineup for the next few years.
    Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice sandwich for Atlanta.

    I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO ed that up.

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    Joe definitely puts Dallas in the le compe ion. He gives Dallas a true #2 option/ball handler/creator/decent defender.

    Almost perfect fit.

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    Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice sandwich for Atlanta.

    I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO ed that up.
    JJ >>> Beaubois, but you don't make that trade unless it puts you over the top. Otherwise, get used to paying $22 million a year for 15 points a game on 43% shooting for the next five years after this season. We already have that with Terry.

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    Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't

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    Yup. It's hard to get mad at a front office when you try to talk yourself into thinking Beaubois for Joe Johnson isn't a good trade
    "JJ is overpaid so we don't want him."

    You can go up and down that roster to see guys like Haywood who shouldn't be paid diddly poo, so what makes mav fan think that Joe Johnson is all of the sudden not worth the paycheck.

    The mav fan mantra has always been "it's not our money." Shawn Marion

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    nobody knew Brand would be this good this year.
    even if he produced like he has the past 2 seasons in Philly, he's still a) a solid backup for Dirk, and b)a good post scorer and defender. How come every ing time a low post threat is available the Mavericks find some way to not even consider them?

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    Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't
    How much better is Joe Johnson than Jason Terry? JJ is a Honda Accord, Terry is a Kia Rio.

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    How much better is Joe Johnson than Jason Terry? JJ is a Honda Accord, Terry is a Kia Rio.

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    Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't
    thinking one volume shooting guard with declining athleticism and ty defense is the missing piece.

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    JJ >>> Beaubois, but you don't make that trade unless it puts you over the top. Otherwise, get used to paying $22 million a year for 15 points a game on 43% shooting for the next five years after this season. We already have that with Terry.
    comparing JJ to Terry

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    How is it even up for ing debate that Iggy/Brand is a far better deal for Dallas than Joe Johnson?

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    comparing JJ to Terry
    In two years, JJ is going to be what Terry is now.

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    thinking one volume shooting guard with declining athleticism and ty defense is the missing piece.
    ty defense? Joe Johnson is a good defender.

    Btw, if I wasn't welching on a bet with Rocketfan I'd have your sig ready to go. Beaubois averaging 14 PPG.

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    I dunno why everyone is ting on the Mavs FO.... we've won about 80% of our games this year when Dirk/Chandler play...the Marion, Butler, and Chandler trades were all good ones and have put this team into darkhorse contention... if Butler didn't go down who knows.

    o ye of little faith!

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    I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis, a guy the Mavs could've had for in Howard.

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    Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice sandwich for Atlanta.

    I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO ed that up.
    It's hard to say whether or not he would put you over the top. But I do know that this Dallas team was in the championship hunt with Caron Butler as the second option. I'd deal Caron for JJ straight up without a second thought.

    Johnson is a bum as the #1 option. But he'd do work as Dirk's wingman facing one-on-one situations all game long.

    Who cares about his contract? You've got a very small window that relies on Dirk's retirement.

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    In two years, JJ is going to be what Terry is now.
    In the 2 years between now and then, JJ gives Dallas a much better shot at contending than Roddy's studly 8.8 PPG on 42.5% shooting.

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    I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis.
    I remember endorsing a Monta Ellis deal too, only for the vast majority of Mavs fans here whining about how he would hog the ball and take away all the 18 foot fadeaways over guys 6 inches shorter than him from Dirk.

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    I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis.
    Same, tbh.

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