Sure. But he still played heavy minutes, and he still played against a teams whose best players were also injured and or not playing. If Rip can play 43mpg in the playoffs, I can't exactly considered him to be 'injured' in the same sense that Jermaine or Wade were.
And I'm saying that his lack of whining has NOTHING to do with the outcome of the series. I just got the impression you thought that Rip would be a tougher guard than Ray, and that Bruce has his toughest challenge yet.
You basically proved my instinct right by saying Ray hasn't won anything.
Sorry if I am reading your posts wrong, but I just get the impression you feel Rip is going to be a tougher guard than Ray Allen.
He played heavy minutes because he's not a pussy. But he was hurt -- and still shot 50% from the field and averaged over 20 ppg in round one.but Rip until this Miami series wasn't exactly playing great basketball.
Is Ray Allen a warrior? No. Has he ever won anything? No. Does Ray Allen whine to the press instead of proving himself on the court? Yes.
Add it up.
Anyways, please let's get back to Bowen vs. Rip. Let Ray Allen fish in peace
Well why can't we continue that argument? I wasn't trying to be a prick. As I said previously, I got the impression from Timvp that he felt Rip is going to be more of a load than Ray was. And I argued based on that assumption.
I was not trying to be a prick, and I am only looking for a good debate. Why don't we continue it instead of arguing semantics?
Umm.. because no one is arguing that Allen isn't a better scorer than Rip.
Again, I just don't agree with that whole 'winning argument'. Ray has had inferior support. Rip has had superior support. But I guess we will agree to disagree.Is Ray Allen a warrior? No. Has he ever won anything? No. Does Ray Allen whine to the press instead of proving himself on the court? Yes.
Add it up.
Anyways, please let's get back to Bowen vs. Rip. Let Ray Allen fish in peace
As for Rip, I think Bowen should be able to guard him well most of the time. Rip will be tough, and he should have a few big games. But I think Bowen should force him into a lot of shots to get his 20-25pts. I am all for Rip scoring 25pts if he has to shoot 23+ shots to get it.
It's all about efficiency. If Bowen can keep Rips scoring efficiency down, then the Spurs will be OK.
I argued based on my assumption that timvp was deeming Rip the superior player. I just don't agree with that whole 'winning' mantra. And I just didn't see what Rip being a warrior and not whining like Ray had to do with Rip being such a tough guard. So I mentioned that I felt Ray was the superior player, and that if Bowen can guard him well, Rip shouldn't be any more difficult.
I guess we will have to see. I think Bowen has to make Rip earn his 20-25pts. If he doesn't and lays an egg on offense, then the team might be in big trouble.
But I think Bowen can do a solid job on D. How about you Kori?
Pistons in 6...Larry Brown > Pop
BTW, Pop said on his radio show earlier in the Phoenix series that Bruce is not that good at fighting through picks(specifically the type used in a picnroll). Surprised me too..then again, he did struggle with them mightily against LA last season. Chasing guys without the ball? Yes he's excellent at that...chasing them when his 200lb body is getting mashed? Not according to Pop.
I say put Bruce on Prince...let Manu chase Rip and make Rip play freaking D.
All putting Bruce on Rip will do is allow Rip to not have to play D and we'll waste our best defensive player on a guy that is pretty much impossible to stop anyway...and I think Bruce matches up better with Prince than Manu as well.
I say put Bruce on Prince...let Manu chase Rip and make Rip play freaking D
All putting Bruce on Rip will do is allow Rip to not have to play D and we'll waste our best defensive player on a guy that is pretty much impossible to stop anyway...and I think Bruce matches up better with Prince than Manu anyway.Just because Bruce will guard Rip doesn't mean Rip will guard Bruce.
I think Rip will guard Manu (at least part of the time) but I think definitely Bruce will guard Rip and Manu will guard Prince.
So you think the Spurs will use Bruce to make Rip work on D while Manu makes him work on O? Could work...it's similar to what the Spurs did against the Lakers in 03...
But I think Bruce can shut Prince down better than Manu can...and I don't think anyone can do anything about Rip. If we put Bruce on Prince there is a good chance we'll own at least one of their offensive players...if we put him on Rip..we may not own any of them.
It's possible but I don't even think the Pistons know yet...
I think Rip will guard Manu (at least part of the time) but I think definitely Bruce will guard Rip and Manu will guard Prince.
This is almost worse than Nikos' Ray Allen is a warrior with multiple NCAA and NBA les take.
Pop said Bowen isn't good in pick-and-roll situations. Bowen is the best freakin' player in the league in following people around picks. Pop has said this countless times. Everyone knows that Bowen is a master at following people around picks. It's in pick-and-roll situations where he isn't too great ... and that is usually due to him making poor decisions on whether to switch the pick-and-roll or stay on his man. That is why the Lakers killed him after going to Shaq and Kobe pick-and-rolls.
Hamilton rarely runs pick-and-rolls. He does sometimes, but it's usually after going around like 72 picks to get the ball.
Bowen not being good at going around picks is a horrendous take. That's what he's best at.
Yes. I think that they will start out by using Prince to guard Manu, but I think that Rip will see a lot of time on him, just like he did on Wade.
I think Bruce will get switched off to guard Prince sometimes too -- maybe Rip is out of the game. But I think he'll start off and see most of his time on Rip. I think he has a very good chance at keeping Rip's FG% in the hi 30's/low 40's.But I think Bruce can shut Prince down better than Manu can...and I don't think anyone can do anything about Rip. If we put Bruce on Prince there is a good chance we'll own at least one of their offensive players...if we put him on Rip..we may not own any of them.
I think we'll see lots of switches in this series though. I think Chauncey and Rip will both guard Tony on occasion. I think Prince and Rip will both guard Manu on occasion.
Oh and if the Spurs try to put Manu on Rip, Manu will need an IV by halftime and will be carried out in a wooden box after the game.
No, I am saying Ray has had a great playoffs in 2001 and that should not be discarded because he didnt have enough support to get to the finals and compete with the Lakers that year.This is almost worse than Nikos' Ray Allen is a warrior with multiple NCAA and NBA les take.
Ray is the better player. I am not saying he is a warrior, and to me that kind of attribute is very subjective anyway, at least in terms of how much it relates to how good a player actually is.
Yeah I was kidding. Hence the "
Yeah I was kidding. Hence the "
Was that racially motivated?
I'd rather put Bruce on Billups, if you move him off Hamilton. Why not try to jam the offense?
This is almost worse than Nikos' Ray Allen is a warrior with multiple NCAA and NBA les take.
Pop said Bowen isn't good in pick-and-roll situations. Bowen is the best freakin' player in the league in following people around picks. Pop has said this countless times.
I disagree. I don't think he's even the best guy on the team at fighting through picks...Parker is better at it(when he is into it).
Fighting through picks is not the best part of Bowen's game, the best part of his D is staying in front of his man, moving backwards on their forward drives and getting into their body on the perimeter.
The best part of Bruce's D is his ability to move his feet quickly forwards or backwards.
I thought it was becasuse he was skinny.Everyone knows that Bowen is a master at following people around picks. It's in pick-and-roll situations where he isn't too great ... and that is usually due to him making poor decisions on whether to switch the pick-and-roll or stay on his man. That is why the Lakers killed him after going to Shaq and Kobe pick-and-rolls.
Hmmmm, I am certain of it....You must have watched a different series than I did...in the series I watched his problems were caused entirely by getting his skinny ass hammered.
Um...all Rip did in Washington was run pickNrolls...And you must think the Pistons are stupid...they watched that series last year. I gurantee you they are going to do it.Hamilton rarely runs pick-and-rolls. He does sometimes, but it's usually after going around like 72 picks to get the ball.
Don't kill the messenger....and I disagree with your idea of what he is best at.Bowen not being good at going around picks is a horrendous take. That's what he's best at.
It's all moot anyway...you have a choice of putting Bruce on a guy he probably can be effective against(both physically and mentally), or a guy no one is going to be that effective against....I think you take what you can get and put Bruce on the guy he is most likely to disrupt...Prince.
I apologize, but next time deliver the right message.
That leaves Parker guarding a guy that's got a 4 inch height advantage on him, the smarts to realize how to take advantage of it, and one of the best jump shots in the NBA...that's a bad idea there..
You might as well not put anyone on Rip if that is what you are going to do.
Parker can match Billups(although he may not be as good in the 4th as Billups).
Spurs fans need to realize something here...Billups is not the guy people have nightmares about guarding...Tony Parker is. I like the Parker Billups match up...Billups is strong but he can't keep up with Parker.
Parker guards Billups
Manu guards Rip
Bruce guards Prince...
When Manu goes to the bench flip Bruce onto Rip and let Barry guard Prince...
Barry has done a yeomans job on the long SF's in every series we have played...he's been decent, as long as the guy is not super agressive(like Rip) he does ok against them. Prince fits that mold.
Why not just let Bruce guard Rip all game long? We don't want to wear out Manu chasing Rip.
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