"Pau is the real MVP of the Lakers"

[BlackSwordsMan]

When your fans boo you would you want to do your best?

[NBAfan83]

Poor logic. The "MVP" of the team doesn't get manhandled and pushed around the way Pau has this entire post season. He's definitely important for the Lakers to have success. But he's no way the MVP of the Lakers. You know what to expect from Kobe. He's going to come out aggressively and make his mark on the game. You wonder about Pau. He gets blocked a couple times, pushed around with no foul call, gets the ball stripped, and he becomes an average role player who will make a few shots and get a few rebounds. But he will be for the most part neutralized.

It's not being an "MVP" of the team when if you play well the team wins but you don't always play well. You're the MVP of the team if you find a way to influence the game even if you don't play well. Pau is critical for the Lakers to have success. It's beyond foolish to think he's the MVP of the team.

You could say the same about Kobe, you let him get his, defend the other 4 players well... and Kobe will go into i'm taking every shot from now on. Some go in, some don't, but offensively nobody else get's into a rhythm and the team loses despite his 30+ shots or 30+ points. And he blames it on his team mates not getting their usual stats, when the only way Kobe got his stats that game was to chuck. I'm just saying, if Pau isn't the MVP, neither is Kobe... they both have a flaw in their game that leads to losses when the opposing team has a strategy to contain them. I'd say to be honest, the X factor, not necessarily the MVP of the team is Lamar Odom.

[Koolaid_Man]

Pau is tired of winning and still being unappreciated. Laker fans really are pieces of for not giving this guy his props.

If we 3 peat and he contributes more than Luke and Shannon then I will appreciate him. But right now I don't appreciate he's done....what have you done for me lately....I can't get off to yesterdays nut...I need a new one today...however, I'll still reminisce on that ass though....

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand the logic..

Gasol clearly isn't the same player as the last 3 years..using comments about him, that were made in the past, is completely irrelevant..if you consider Kobe to be Shaq's 1a during the 3-peat, then Gasol is inarguably Kobe's 1a to the back to back les..

[Koolaid_Man]

You could say the same about Kobe, you let him get his, defend the other 4 players well... and Kobe will go into i'm taking every shot from now on. Some go in, some don't, but offensively nobody else get's into a rhythm and the team loses despite his 30+ shots or 30+ points. And he blames it on his team mates not getting their usual stats, when the only way Kobe got his stats that game was to chuck. I'm just saying, if Pau isn't the MVP, neither is Kobe... they both have a flaw in their game that leads to losses when the opposing team has a strategy to contain them. I'd say to be honest, the X factor, not necessarily the MVP of the team is Lamar Odom.

You life is meaningless and no one cares what you think....Kool has spoken so yourself esteem should be low now....

[ChrisRichards]

Poor logic. The "MVP" of the team doesn't get manhandled and pushed around the way Pau has this entire post season. He's definitely important for the Lakers to have success. But he's no way the MVP of the Lakers. You know what to expect from Kobe. He's going to come out aggressively and make his mark on the game. You wonder about Pau. He gets blocked a couple times, pushed around with no foul call, gets the ball stripped, and he becomes an average role player who will make a few shots and get a few rebounds. But he will be for the most part neutralized.

It's not being an "MVP" of the team when if you play well the team wins but you don't always play well. You're the MVP of the team if you find a way to influence the game even if you don't play well. Pau is critical for the Lakers to have success. It's beyond foolish to think he's the MVP of the team.

That's your opinion. I'm pretty sure Kobe was pushed around and had a horrible series against Boston in 2007, guess he's not the Lakers MVP then, yes?


The true value of a player is not exclusive to effort, if thats the case Kobe would still not be the most valuable piece in that regards. Pau's value exceeds that of any player wearing a Lakers uniform at this point, he's not the best player but he's that constant balance that puts the Lakers on top, to me that's a good indicator of a players worth. When Gasol puts the hammer down, the Lakers are extremely hard to deal with.

[NBAfan83]

I don't understand the logic..

Gasol clearly isn't the same player as the last 3 years..using comments about him, that were made in the past, is completely irrelevant..if you consider Kobe to be Shaq's 1a during the 3-peat, then Gasol is inarguably Kobe's 1a to the back to back les..

I think that earlier three peat team with shaq and kobe was them at their prime, thus they were running a true triangle offence. It was more 1-2 punch with a bunch of role players.

The second time around is much different in the sense that you might call gasol and KObe 1a and 1b, but it is a far inferior 1a and 1b to the shaq and kobe days. Lamar Odom and Bynum, deserve some props, (less of bynum), with the way the lakers have won back to back.

[Koolaid_Man]

That's your opinion. I'm pretty sure Kobe was pushed around and had a horrible series against Boston in 2007, guess he's not the Lakers MVP then, yes?


The true value of a player is not exclusive to effort, if thats the case Kobe would still not be the most valuable piece in that regards. Pau's value exceeds that of any player wearing a Lakers uniform at this point, he's not the best player but he's that constant balance that puts the Lakers on top, to me that's a good indicator of a players worth. When Gasol puts the hammer down, the Lakers are extremely hard to deal with.

Math wasn't your strong suit eh?

No matter how you slice it Pau gets what Kobe gives him...When Kobe is on the bench the "MVP" can't deliver... why am I arguing with an idiot fan who thought he'd be a Cavs fan and then a Bulls fan, perhaps a Knick fan, until he realized last minute he'd be a Heat fan....

[ChrisRichards]

Just because Kobe made a dire effort snatching 15 boards on a Game 7, that doesn't make him that much valuable given the cir stances (6/24). The Lakers were in the hole to begin with because of his horrible shooting.

TBH, the Lakers played as a team that series. Everyone chipped in and did their part, some even went beyond expectations (Artest). I don;t think they have a real MVP but if value is measured, Gasol's claim at the top is unquestionable. Everyone criticized Gasol but he's the biggest reason why the Lakers won back to back.

[ChrisRichards]

Math wasn't your strong suit eh?

No matter how you slice it Pau gets what Kobe gives him...When Kobe is on the bench the "MVP" can't deliver... why am I arguing with an idiot fan who thought he'd be a Cavs fan and then a Bulls fan, perhaps a Knick fan, until he realized last minute he'd be a Heat fan....

When Kobe was out earlier this year, Pau was giving the Lakers 24 and 12 58% shooting and I'm pretty sure they he was doing fine.

[Koolaid_Man]

Just because Kobe made a dire effort snatching 15 boards on a Game 7, that doesn't make him that much valuable given the cir stances (6/24). The Lakers were in the hole to begin with because of his horrible shooting.

TBH, the Lakers played as a team that series. Everyone chipped in and did their part, some even went beyond expectations (Artest). I don;t think they have a real MVP but if value is measured, Gasol's claim at the top is unquestionable. Everyone criticized Gasol but he's the biggest reason why the Lakers won back to back.

whatever makes you sleep at night...I know you have a well vested interest in LA losing to the Gayvrettes but know this...you will face Kobe in the finals and that will be all she wrote...

[Koolaid_Man]

When Kobe was out earlier this year, Pau was giving the Lakers 24 and 12 58% shooting and I'm pretty sure they he was doing fine.

giving us that when he was playing nobody that mattered...As I recall he didn't have a single good game against any real big men this season....

[da_suns_fan]

Gasol plays well = Lakers championship

Gasol plays bad = Sweep by Dallas


Sounds like most valuable to me.

[dunkman]

The Mavs were built around Dirk since they noticed he's all-star caliber player.

Despite being as good as Kobe, Gasol was forced to differ to Kobe since joining the Lakers. My guess is that he got deadly bored after helping Kobe 3 seasons to get his MVP and two finals MVP's.

When Gasol doesn't play hard the Lakers rack losing streaks, hardly get past shorthanded Hornets and are going to be swept by the Mavs.

[Giuseppe]

When Gasol doesn't play hard the Lakers rack losing streaks, hardly get past shorthanded Hornets and are going to be swept by the Mavs.

Precisely.

[ElNono]

Pau racked up more miles on those legs the past 3 seasons than any other Laker (adding up Lakers + Spain play). The question wasn't IF it was going to catch up with him, but WHEN...

There's little doubt that the Lakers go as far as Pau takes them...

[Koolaid_Man]

Gasol plays well = Lakers championship

Gasol plays bad = Sweep by Dallas


Sounds like most valuable to me.

only in the mind of a loser...MVP's don't lead their teams to Sweeps...Pau is the MVP of the role players...

[Giuseppe]

[QUOTE=ElNono;5212497There's little doubt that the Lakers go as far as Pau takes them...[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And he has failed across the spectrum this post season.

[Josepatches_]

After three seasons where the Lakers saw the finals and back-to-back championships, Gasol is showing that the Lakers only go as far as he goes.

It's pretty clear.

No Shaq = No tle
No Pau = No tle

[Josepatches_]

Gasol plays well = Lakers championship

Gasol plays bad = Sweep by Dallas


Sounds like most valuable to me.

Agree

[Giuseppe]

It's pretty clear.

No Shaq = No tle
No Pau = No tle

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe him in.

The constant? Kobe.

[Koolaid_Man]

It's pretty clear.

No Shaq = No tle
No Pau = No tle

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year




Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[Ghazi]

‎"shhhhhhh" -Dirk Nowitzki 5/4/11, Staples Center

[picc84]

Pau is playing like he just found out he has cancer.

[Koolaid_Man]

once we dispatch you... a Turban I'm going to wrap Bacon around your head...