sons IF Mavs win le this year Dirk will surpass Duncan as best PF of last 15 years

[Greg Oden]

And? The question was from BR to look at stats.

Do you think Dirk>Duncan in the context BR laid out?

BR is a sage in the nba forum and doesn't let bias get in the way.

[DPG21920]

That's what I thought. DB.COM rearing it's ugly head.

[Ghazi]

Dirk > DuncanPERIOD

[DPG21920]

[Greg Oden]

That's what I thought. DB.COM rearing it's ugly head.

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

[DPG21920]

This year, yes. Overall, might I suggest doing some serious contemplating.

[crc21209]

and Duncan was nothing more than a role player in 2007 as well. Duncan also (as mentioned above) has played on stacked teams his entire career.

Stacked? Other than Tony, Manu, Horry (05', not 07' Horry), Bowen, and SJax (03'), I wouldnt say Oberto, Rasho, Nazr, Devin Brown, Barry, Finley, etc. we're elite players....

[DPG21920]

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

My Mod forum > Your Mod forum. You are beneath me.

lol short.

[FkLA]

son you deserve nothing but praise for caling it like it is when it comes to kobe "glorified tmac" bryant but this right here is just plain silly, thanks for the good laugh son

[DPG21920]

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

Also randomly bandwagoning people is very Tyson Chandler of you. By that I mean ghey.

[Greg Oden]

My Mod forum > Your Mod forum. You are beneath me.

lol short.

the difference between neither of us being mods is I get my name shown at least in forum.

[DPG21920]

No, I'm actually a mod . I got to ban someone.

[Proxy]

When you compare two players that rank at such a high caliber, stats don't mean .

You addressed rebounding and rings..... teams have influence on that, so I'll abide.


MVPs.... Duncan has 2.

Defense... Duncan plays it. Dirk doesn't. You can't call TD's defense overrated when he as the all-NBA def. team selections to back that up.

Scoring threat in years?.... please . That is bull . This was his first year on offense.... Dirk is better offensively, obviously.

Better performer in the playoffs? TD has put up some of the best all around games ever... the NJ/SA finals and the dethroning of the LA 3peat team are two good examples.

Dirk has had to carry teams.... I agree, but Duncan taking the 03 team to the finals is the icing on the goddamn cake. That team had no more talent than Dirk has had in the past decade. TD is and was smarter in making the right pass to scramble the defense.

[Greg Oden]

Sure.

[Lizard_King]

How many lies on 5/7/11?

[DPG21920]

Db.com

[Spursfan092120]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery ing Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

[Ghazi]

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

[Giuseppe]

She doesn't start rotating her head till he taps it.

It aint' as good as V's ass pucker loop, but, it's still choice material.

[DMC]

I know it's a troll but it's fun so whatthe .

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery ing Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could I lol'ed

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated I lol'ed again

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs I almost cried from LOLing

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams Duncan makes his teammates better. Dirk does not. Dirk defers.


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

Dirk will never even surpass the 5th greatest PF of all time. Dirk is a scorer, nothing else. Seriously.

[BRHornet45]

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

sons now this is about the best example of a "homer" that you will find. downright denying the facts and acting as if others can't look up the truth.


- Dirk has scored a lot more points than Duncan, 1,100+ more

- Dirk has also turned the ball over nearly 900 LESS times than Duncan

- Dirk has 100 more steals than Duncan (I guess that doesn't count for defense either according to you?)

- Dirk is far more accurate at the freebie line than Duncan, by 20%

- Dirk is far more accurate from shooting around the floor in general

so NO son its not just "ppg" they are damn near even

[BanditHiro]

you had a good thing with the Kobe "Milli Vanilli" Bryant but you are just pushing it now

[lefty]

Dirk is a great player, but he is not a real PF

[DMC]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank...d=4&listId=293

I see Kobe and Tim on that list... no Dirk. That's an all time list with 12 players. That means Kobe and Tim are considered in the top 12 of all time.

If you want to compare them right now, Dirk is the better player without a doubt. He's around 5th or 6th best in the league. Tim is probably not in the top 25 right now.

[BRHornet45]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank...d=4&listId=293

I see Kobe and Tim on that list... no Dirk.

lmao sports nation