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Lol you said Scottie Pippen was better than Kobe. Now you use a stat to discredit Kobe where Scottie ranks 101st.
Good stuff.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Duncan
9. Bryant
#4 vs #5 is a tough call, as is #6 vs #7. Not sure who to pick #10. Robertson? Erving? Barkley? Moses or Karl Malone? West? Baylor? Russell? Isaiah? LeBron? Wade?
Lol you said Scottie Pippen was better than Kobe. Now you use a stat to discredit Kobe where Scottie ranks 101st.
Good stuff.
dumbassery
ok stretch.
lol putting Bill Ben Wallace Russell anywhere near the top 10.
Have to balance out the no defense Wilt & Kareem are bringing
No, he shouldn't be. Russell was a monkeyfreak who was simply more athletic and bigger than the honky scrubs he played against. Kobe actually has skill. Idk what he'd do against a bunch of 6'5" honkies.
Russell should be a borderline HOFer at best.
You maybe right. though it looks slim now, he has an "outside" shot at#1 ...
nope, nuh uh. He threw that out the window the second he packed his bags and headed south. He still will easily be top 10 though.
let us proceed....
Russell probably would have been a rich man's Ben Wallace in the 80's and beyond, but 11 rings, 9 (i think) straight les, and 5 MVPs plus being the progenitor of the skilled yet defensive-minded center in an era of offense is worth a top 10 spot for me.
LOL the thing that gets me besides stats, how exactly are you guys rating players that you have never seen play?
When folks bring up debates right now about who is the best player rings are discounted.
Many love stats but how do you account for stats with players playing in different eras and different caliber of players?
I see some good lists on here, but anyone that include players they have never watched play (except on NBA's greatest games) are suspect. If you discount rings or use them as the sole criteria, that list is suspect as well. If you are only a stats head then your list is probably as well. All of those things need to be factored to create a fair, relatively unbiased list.
Great list but did you see Wilt play?
...just curious. I also think shaq is too high but a great list. OF course i thinhk Kobe is above duncan but for me, it's close.
1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Tim
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Russell
9. Big O
10. Hakeem
Idk about that logic, it's faulty at best, founded upon racial stereotypes. I'm not judging, but you can't really put that forward as an argument. By that logic Larry Bird makes no sense at all.
Black people being more athletic than white people is something only morons consider a "stereotype".
While it is obvious the compe ion and athleticism in the 50s and 60s is no where close to now, it is simply unfair to look at the other side of the coin.
1) Those players do not have the training and medicine players today have
2) Those players do not better compe ion to hone their skills
3) Those players do not have as much a base as the current players have to build on
In order to rank players of different eras, they must be evaluated based on their compe ion and rules. The game has changed dramatically since the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s and 50s, whether it be rules, defenses, offensive sets, training, and all of that.
For a player like Wilt and Russell to break new grounds back in the day, and be a pioneer and level-setter for the game today is very impressive. Wilt changed rules, Russell changed the way teams were constructed, Dr. J changed the way the game was watched, Bird and Magic changed the team game, Jordan changed the big man dominated culture, Cap added finesse and fludity to the big man role, Shaq changed rules, Duncan melded fundamentals with the modern game, Robertson changed the roll of a big PG. These players are trend-setters, and that's why they are ranked appropriately.
People have to understand the evolution and the history of the game before they chime in, and say absolutely re ed things like Russell would not be able to compete in today's game if he was transported through a time machine. But so what? George Washington would be shredded to pieces as today's president, does that make him a bad president? People are learning about Sir Isaac Newton's discoveries in high school now, does that make him a stupid scientist?
Neither is Russell. His 11 les are overrated as given most of them were won in like an 8 team league with 3+ HOFers on his team and the best coach of all time on the sidelines for nearly all 11 of his les.
bird at 9.
you high. he's 6, at least. def ahead of jim
Dude is probably the most monstrous rebounder ever, outside of Wilt the stat padder who played much of his career for all-offense teams. He would probably still be a DPOY type player even in today's NBA IMHO thanks to his incredible defensive instincts. And the fact he was the undisputed leader of a HOF line-up that won 11 rings, and he did win 5 MVPs despite being a mediocre scorer in a League based around offense, should be points for, not against.
And he did all this dealing with rampant racism, hate, and doubt as the first black superstar in basketball.
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1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Moses Malone
This with Big O all the way down to number ten.
He would be Ben Wallace. A monster rebounder and perennial DPOY candidate, but nowhere near the top 10 players of all time list.
Being the first black star in basketball also meant he had no other black star going up against him. More of an advantage than disadvantage.
As for my list...
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Dream
8. Wilt
9. Big O
10. Moses Malone
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