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That's mostly a compliment seeing we're both in Masters programs right now.
They have 5th grade at MIT?
That's mostly a compliment seeing we're both in Masters programs right now.
Remember this story? The woman who gets fired for "dressing too sexy."
http://www.slate.com/id/2256622/
Lets turn this around.....what about men getting hit on at they're jobs?
I thought it was a really interesting article. I agree it seemed one-sided, but it was written from a woman's point of view for women in leadership roles in the workplace, basically pointers on how to be taken seriously as a competent manager.
Most of them are kind of common sense, but I thought the one about interrupting is the most interesting, because I (perhaps because I'm a woman) am especially sensitive to being interrupted when I'm speaking and I think it's extremely rude to interrupt someone when he or she is speaking. Rather than competence, to me it seems like bullying. But maybe that's a gender thing. RG was awful at interrupting people when we first met and I started pointing out to him every time he did it. He's much better now.
That looks like a fun date right there!Lets turn this around.....what about men getting hit on at they're jobs?
First, don't think I was lumping you into this. While CF might be those things I stated above, she's also obviously quite intelligent. Massively annoying, but smartThat's mostly a compliment seeing we're both in Masters programs right now.
You, on the other hand, aren't.
lol lifelong students
You missed the point of the article. She was directly addressing female centric behavior that needs to be modified in a typically male-dominated business landscape.
With tips like:
TRAP #1: Using too many head tilts.
Men do not tilt their head in conversation nearly as much as women.
TRAP #2: Physically condensing.
This is also a typically female trait. Sure, some men do it, but they are usually meek and not looked upon as leaders.
TRAP #3: Using girlish gestures.
No explanation needed. I dont know men who twirl their hair or play with their jewelry.
TRAP #4: Speaking “up.”
This is asexual. Your point stands.
TRAP #5: Smiling excessively.
Asexual, but certainly something I could see being a more female trait. Debatable, I know.
TRAP #6: Nodding too much.
Asexual.
TRAP #7: Waiting your turn.
Asexual.
TRAP #8: Flirtatious behavior.
Most definitely a female trait.
TRAP #9: Being emotionally over-expressive.
Also, a very female behavior. Most women wear their emotions on their sleeve. Even women who think they dont, do.
TRAP #10: Having a delicate handshake.
The best advice of all of this crap. Nothing worse than a limp handshake, bad for female's, a show-stopper for a male.
To put it bluntly, picture a male who exhibits all 10 behaviors. That guy is the catcher, not the pitcher in a sexual relationship.
Now picture a female having all 10 tendencies. Pretty typical, maybe minus one or two.
As much as we'd like disagree with biology and evolution, the reality is that males have certain subtle tendencies as do women. Point is, when youre a woman in the business world, youre not in a female dominated landscape...and it never will be. You either conform to the expectations of the underlings sense of authority, or you curtail your ability to manage.
Your choice, just dont about it. No one is forcing you to be the boss. Youre not going to just change 30,000 years of social engineering because "it isnt right that woman should have to." Tough , life sucks, get a helmet.
Maybe in some far-off future, women will finally be able to be themselves in the workplace and still be respected as leaders. That day isnt today. Thats why the women in power today are all stereotyped as frigid es. Because they have to be, thats what the job demands management to be. Cold-hearted, ruthless and demanding, no exceptions, no equivocations. That sort of behavior is looked at differently when a woman wears those clothes, however, even though the men in similar positions are not.
But thats life, it aint fair. Ask black people.
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And you missed my point, which is that her article is problematic for furthering the idea that expressions of femininity are bad or wrong within the business world. According to the framework/methodology of her article, women are at a disadvantage in the business world because they are women and can only counteract that disadvantage by acting less like women. It's 2011. The fact that such an article would be written by a woman and aimed at helping other women is, I think, quite troubling.
Incidentally, the business landscape is not as male-dominated as it once was. And it hasn't been for a long time. Articles like this just further a construct that becomes less and less accurate as time goes on.
And it never will be as long as articles like this continue to be published. Hence the fact I find it problematic.
my new favorite smiley.
Feminine expressions are not seen as authoritative. You can ignore that fact and cite the advances in social equality over the past half century, but youd still be wrong.
Flirtatious behavior by a female superior: Less than competent management style.
Flirtatious behavior by male superior: Sexual harassment.
All the author is doing is pointing out the obvious differences in social interactions that a woman of power can be aware of.
All youre doing is saying how wrong it is that it has to be that way.
One person is offering a possible solution, youre beating a dead horse.
Arent you still in school? Graduate school?Incidentally, the business landscape is not as male-dominated as it once was. And it hasn't been for a long time. Articles like this just further a construct that becomes less and less accurate as time goes on.
What do you know about the business world besides what you read in a book or are told by associates and professors?
Its a very male dominated world, Ms. Funt, yes even today. Sure, there are specific businesses that one could hire into that are not, but those are exceptions, not the rule.
It seems to me you wax poetic about an alternate universe and how things should be. If the world you envision actually existed, articles like this one would never even have to be written, right?
But since there are articles, books, websites, government subsidies and community actions groups specifically addressing and assisting women's ascent to power, while no such equivalent exists for men, I find it hard to stand here with a straight face and say all things are equal.
They are not. Again, specific exceptions do exist, of that I am sure. And I hope a majority of woman find themselves within such a company/field that does in fact treat all things equally. Where 50%+ of the workforce below you being male are not the type to catch on to the subtle visual cues of typical female behavior and the view them as a sign of incompetence or non-seriousness.
Im sure they exist. But not in manufacturing, not in textiles, not in pharmaceuticals and certainly not in academia ( , it might be the worst).
This article isnt about the way things should be, its about the way things are. You can be the best manager in the company at tasking, delegation, team building and project management, but if you dont have the respect of "the managed", you failed before you started.
Im not quite sure what youre trying to say with your new favorite smiley.
Right. Articles like that have significant impact in shaping the business world.
That everything gets turned into a race thing here and it bores me.
Fair enough, but dont lump me in with degenerate threads I never even post in.
My point was/is, life isnt fair for black people.
Nothing more, nothing less.
you went to MIT like I went on a diet.
the triangle on ashbeeigh starts at the base of her tetas.
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^ worlds smallest violin playing for all the women and black people in America.
That and when you start grabbing crotchesI've never held back, in the workplace or elsewhere, from being who I naturally am----warm, friendly and playful. Older men can appreciate it, but most the younger ones think I "want" them. But I really don't think it's as much because of my mannerisms, than it is them believing, how could I not want them?
I suppose....
Control of the womans body language is crucial to controlling her workplace. Walk like a man, talk like a man, work like a man, dress like a man, and then you shouldn't have any problems. Whether women like it or not, the workplace IS a mans world. They should act accordingly as to not distract the men from their jobs. If a woman doesn't like the fact that they can't "be themselves", then they should get back in the kitchen where they belong.
Real life example from me. When I was in the military a new e-4 came into my section. She was a decently attractive woman, and immediately all the guys are fawning over her. I on the other hand went out to do my ing job. Later on in the week, she was observing us working, and distracting most of my crew. I was pretty much left alone to do all the work. Then she has the nerve to come up to me and tell me that I am doing my job wrong when she has never even worked on that airframe before. So naturally I put her in her place very quickly by telling her that instead of flirting and looking for a pickle tickle, how about she get some ing tools and help work. Then she bursts into tears and goes crying to our flight chief. The flight chief tried to get me to apologize to her, but I wouldn't and recieved an LoR. I made a verbal statement that this woman comes in here, is distracting my crew, and tries to tell me that I am not doing my job right when she has been here a grand total of 1 week and hasn't even taken the basic airframe training courses yet. I then inform them that in all my time on duty, I have never once made a mistake on the equipment, aircraft, or weapons.
To have a woman go into a mans world, shaking her s, distracting people and crying when there is work to be done pisses me off. If she would have kept her trap shut, and quit talking, more work would have gotten done and we all could have went home early.
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Well said. This is exactly my point!!!
Call me when the shuttle lands.
Workplace or not, I just naturally assume everyone with a vagina wants to have sex with me. And this article is pretty much directed at attractive women. Unattractive women can look at my mouth all they want and it won't change my desire to keep it business with them.
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