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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Amassing WMDs, the only country in the region to do so, annexing appropriated land and using military force against civilians...yeah, real appeasers...

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    Really though, how is there a debate over the basics when Bibi actually agrees with Obama?

    The status of the settlements will be decided only in negotiations. But we must also be honest. So I'm saying today something that should be said publicly by all those who are serious about peace: In any real peace agreement, in any peace agreement that ends the conflict, some settlements will end up beyond Israel's borders.

    Now, the precise delineation of those borders must be negotiated. We'll be generous about the size of the future Palestinian state. But as President Obama said, the border will be different than the one that existed on June 4th, 1967. Israel will not return to the indefensible boundaries of 1967.
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    Bibi?

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    lol yes.

    I must've been thinking of Frasier's wife Lilith.

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    I am so sick of Netanyahu's act.

    I think even some Jewish Americans are getting sick of this guy trying to play the U.S. like a fiddle.

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    I thought his speech was pretty good for a speech devoid of anything newsworthy.

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    "Christian" mother ers, and politicians who pander/lie to them and say they "know God":

    I love giving money to Israel. And so there’s a picture there that people realize that, we stop helping Israel, we lose God’s hand and we’re in big time trouble.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/25/...ael-gods-hand/

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    "Christian" mother ers, and politicians who pander/lie to them and say they "know God":

    I love giving money to Israel. And so there’s a picture there that people realize that, we stop helping Israel, we lose God’s hand and we’re in big time trouble.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/25/...ael-gods-hand/
    Rep. Dan Webster (R-FL):
    You take away the money from Israel? No. That’s something we can’t do. Do I like foreign aid? Sometimes, but not every time. Don’t like giving money to our enemies, but I love giving money to Israel. And so there’s a picture there that people realize that, we stop helping Israel, we lose God’s hand and we’re in big time trouble.

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    Here's an idea. Let's send Mel Gibson as our delegate.

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    I am so sick of Netanyahu's act.

    I think even some Jewish Americans are getting sick of this guy trying to play the U.S. like a fiddle.
    Netanyahu wants no part of any peace. If the Fatah/Hamas alliance were to accept every term he proposes, new terms would suddenly appear.

    In peacetime, Likud is irrelavant, since their one and only salable product is fear.

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    In peacetime, Likud is irrelavant, since their one and only salable product is fear.
    Fear sells.

    Even if the level of sales do not justify full on war, they do give sanguinary police/security actions like Cast Lead and Mavi Marmara a more respectable patina.

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    does not justify, more correctly.



    (GFy, grammer nzis.)

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    very simple. Obama's plan is to try and find peace. Netanyahu, is even simpler, DO NOT LOSE.

    Both are completely different goals and will never change. All the rest is bull waste of time.

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    does not justify, more correctly.



    (GFy, grammer nzis.)
    That particular english grammar rule is not as solid as it once was.

    The acceptability of a verb taking on the plurality of the nearest noun is increasing.

    Depends on if you are a grammar socialist liberal or a grammar nazi.

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    very simple. Obama's plan is to try and find peace. Netanyahu, is even simpler, DO NOT LOSE.

    Both are completely different goals and will never change. All the rest is bull waste of time.
    I think Lakud's strategy is more like "win at all costs", a common right-wing sentiment.

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    very simple. Obama's plan is to try and find peace. Netanyahu, is even simpler, DO NOT LOSE.

    Both are completely different goals and will never change. All the rest is bull waste of time.
    They are the same goal in the end. The problem is that Netanyahu cannot lower his military defenses until the others stop attacking Israel. Obama is a complete fool to think he can solve this without pointing the fingers at the real threat. Those attacking Israel.
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    that's a good point RG.

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    I think Lakud's strategy is more like "win at all costs", a common right-wing sentiment.
    Imagine that s. Korea started building settlements in the demilitarized zone and N. Korea lobbed a few missiles ino the settlements because it was once N. Korean territory...

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    Imagine that s. Korea started building settlements in the demilitarized zone and N. Korea lobbed a few missiles ino the settlements because it was once N. Korean territory...
    Depends: did Jesus do anything there?

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    Obama is a complete fool to think he can solve this without pointing the fingers at the real threat. Those attacking Israel.
    Pointing the finger is a great way to bring two sides together. Why aren't you Secretary of State?

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    AIPAC: A Lobby Without Parallel

    Not surprisingly, my recent column on an ugly 1988 experience with AIPAC, the Israeli government, and late New York Times columnist William Safire elicited some controversy. I knew it would.

    One, AARP and every other power lobby one can name (including the NRA, PhRMA, AHIP and the Chamber of Commerce) advocate for U.S. interests, as it sees them. (The AARP represents tens of millions of Americans over age 50 and the NRA represents millions of American gun enthusiasts.) AIPAC, on the other hand, gets its direction from a foreign government. If the Israeli government decides it will give up, say, downtown Hebron, AIPAC will say the same almost immediately. It is as independent of the Israeli government as the U.S. Communist Party was independent of Moscow.

    Criticizing Israeli policies is, thanks to AIPAC, the "new third rail" of American politics, replacing Social Security and Medicare. (Both those programs are now attacked daily). AIPAC is the only lobby that both Democrats and Republics fear challenging.

    AIPAC's effort to squelch Senate dissent succeeded. I remember one of AIPAC's top lobbyists telling me to thank Levin for the letter. "You'll see, MJ, after what Levin went through, no senator will ever pull that kind of thing again. You did us a favor," she said.

    And, guess what? No senator has, not in 23 years.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ros...tml?view=print

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    Why Google Earth Can't Show You Israel

    in 1997, Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act [5], one section of which is led, "Prohibition on collection and release of detailed satellite imagery relating to Israel." The amendment, known as the Kyl-Bingaman Amendment, calls for a federal agency, the NOAA's Commercial Remote Sensing Regulatory Affairs [6], to regulate the dissemination of zoomed-in images of Israel.

    http://motherjones.com/print/117366

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    Few Americans Sympathize With Palestinians



    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/20...-palestinians/

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    Pointing the finger is a great way to bring two sides together. Why aren't you Secretary of State?
    I would make a poor Secretary of State. I don't use enough tact. I would make a better Secretary or War... I mean Defense.

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    And you would still be horrible.

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