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    It's true that the Mavs forced Miami to take the shots that they wanted them to take, they just made them. What else can you do when LeBron is tossing up an off-balance fadeaway three that goes in right before the third quarter buzzer? That was worth one possession.
    DPG obviously is too ignorant to understand that the Mavs entire defensive gameplan was to allow Miami to shoot long jumpers all they want, and keep them out of the paint. Dallas did a damn good job of that, while on the other end, they were able to get a lot of good looks and shots they normally make. When Miami realized they were not having a good shooting night, it allowed them to close down on Dirk more and take more gambles defensively.

    While Miami does a solid job of closing out on shooters, I noticed though, they have a definite weakness with their rotations, in that they allow a lot of space for dive cuts. Marion had quite a few, and could have had a lot more. Terry and Chandler both need to look for dive cuts as well. The shooters need to pump and either step in for a closer shot, or look for the dive cutter.

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    I don't think either team was clear-cut better defensively than the other in Game 1. They both played great D, Miami just hit a few more shots. Also doesn't hurt when you have 2 guys who can force the action and get to the line when shots aren't falling. Dallas only has one, and that's what's ultimately going to decide this series.

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    I don't think either team was clear-cut better defensively than the other in Game 1. They both played great D, Miami just hit a few more shots. Also doesn't hurt when you have 2 guys who can force the action and get to the line when shots aren't falling. Dallas only has one, and that's what's ultimately going to decide this series.
    Yeah, this is the series that we're finally going to miss Butler. Not that he's on Wade or Bron's level, but to have another good scoring option, plus he's a decent defender. I think Peja is useless in this series.

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    DPG obviously is too ignorant to understand that the Mavs entire defensive gameplan was to allow Miami to shoot long jumpers all they want, and keep them out of the paint. Dallas did a damn good job of that, while on the other end, they were able to get a lot of good looks and shots they normally make. When Miami realized they were not having a good shooting night, it allowed them to close down on Dirk more and take more gambles defensively.

    While Miami does a solid job of closing out on shooters, I noticed though, they have a definite weakness with their rotations, in that they allow a lot of space for dive cuts. Marion had quite a few, and could have had a lot more. Terry and Chandler both need to look for dive cuts as well. The shooters need to pump and either step in for a closer shot, or look for the dive cutter.
    Tbh after Kidd hit a few 3's in the first quarter he never got another open look. Peja and Terry were off so Miami knew they could be a little more lazy with them.

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    I don't think either team was clear-cut better defensively than the other in Game 1. They both played great D, Miami just hit a few more shots. Also doesn't hurt when you have 2 guys who can force the action and get to the line when shots aren't falling. Dallas only has one, and that's what's ultimately going to decide this series.
    Both Wade and LeBron got a combined 7 FTAs, while Bosh had 12. They both need to be more aggressive and take advantage of that...

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    Yeah, this is the series that we're finally going to miss Butler. Not that he's on Wade or Bron's level, but to have another good scoring option, plus he's a decent defender. I think Peja is useless in this series.
    This is true. A few days ago someone asked whether bringing Butler back for this series would be good or hurt the team chemistry. As I said then, I don't see how it hurts to give him 8-12 minutes a game. He's their 2nd best option offensively when healthy, and Dallas needs all the guns they can get against this defense.

    Peja is a massive liability on defense, but he also had a plethora of open looks that didn't go. If he's not knocking down his shots, he basically becomes Matt Bonner.

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    This is true. A few days ago someone asked whether bringing Butler back for this series would be good or hurt the team chemistry. As I said then, I don't see how it hurts to give him 8-12 minutes a game. He's their 2nd best option offensively when healthy, and Dallas needs all the guns they can get against this defense.

    Peja is a massive liability on defense, but he also had a plethora of open looks that didn't go. If he's not knocking down his shots, he basically becomes Matt Bonner.
    You are right. I fail to see how giving Peja's minutes to Butler hurts us, unless conditioning wise he is incapable of playing that much. Peja is not a 40 minutes per game starter. Somehow against the Lakers he was a net plus since he was making his shots and he wasn't isolated against Kobe that much. But he didn't give us much against OKC and he's not giving us anything now. There is nobody to hide him against Miami on defense.

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    Both Wade and LeBron got a combined 7 FTAs, while Bosh had 12. They both need to be more aggressive and take advantage of that...
    That was a statistical anomaly...one we're not going to see in any other game this series. Credit Dallas' defense for much of that, but I don't think we're gonna see anywhere close to 7 combined FTAs for the duo the rest of the series.

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    Game 1 could have been a fluke. We will see soon enough.

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    Both Wade and LeBron got a combined 7 FTAs, while Bosh had 12. They both need to be more aggressive and take advantage of that...
    They probably could be more aggressive, but a lot of it was the zone was not allowing them to have any good driving lanes. On the other hand, Bosh should benefit from the zone, because of his shooting ability, and making baseline cuts to get in position for offensive rebounds.

    But I definitely do think they will get more visits to the FT line than that, just probably not as much as they would normally expect to get.

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    Terry could be that guy next to Dirk but he is too inconsistent.

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    Terry could be that guy next to Dirk but he is too inconsistent.
    Dirk and Jet run a great two-man game in the 4th Quarter but they're up against Bron and Wade. There's not that much dropoff from LeBron to Dirk in terms of running your offense in crunchtime (yes I know Bron is a much more versatile all-around player), but there is a decisive gap between Wade and Terry.

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    They probably could be more aggressive, but a lot of it was the zone was not allowing them to have any good driving lanes. On the other hand, Bosh should benefit from the zone, because of his shooting ability, and making baseline cuts to get in position for offensive rebounds.

    But I definitely do think they will get more visits to the FT line than that, just probably not as much as they would normally expect to get.
    This x100.

    With the effectiveness of Dallas' zone, Chris Bosh provides the perfect zonebuster. I see him having a massive series the rest of the way.

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    This x100.

    With the effectiveness of Dallas' zone, Chris Bosh provides the perfect zonebuster. I see him having a massive series the rest of the way.
    Still not a 100% sold on Bosh tbh. He's been great but for some reason I keep expecting him to regress...

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    This x100.

    With the effectiveness of Dallas' zone, Chris Bosh provides the perfect zonebuster. I see him having a massive series the rest of the way.
    If I were the Mavs, I would just let Dirk guard him, so they can't keep pulling Chandler out of the paint on defense. Bosh isn't exactly some monster scoring machine, or a guy who will consistently get you in foul trouble, I think Dirk can handle him alright. Either that, or Dirk needs to step up on the rebounds and do a better job of boxing Joel Anthony out.

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    Still not a 100% sold on Bosh tbh. He's been great but for some reason I keep expecting him to regress...
    ...once Noah opened his mouth it was over. Bosh has been on a rampage ever since.

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    Still not a 100% sold on Bosh tbh. He's been great but for some reason I keep expecting him to regress...
    From a statistical standpoint, he's stepped his game up (from reg season to playoffs) more than anyone else on the Heat. He's hit clutch baskets, had key rebounds, and has played "decent" defense.

    This current matchup has his name written all over it. He can be automatic in the high post with that midrange J...it's all in how he's utilized and how aggressive he chooses to be. Game 1 he had 12 FTAs, so that's a good sign for Miami.
    Last edited by DeadlyDynasty; 06-02-2011 at 03:17 PM.

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    If I were the Mavs, I would just let Dirk guard him, so they can't keep pulling Chandler out of the paint on defense. Bosh isn't exactly some monster scoring machine, or a guy who will consistently get you in foul trouble, I think Dirk can handle him alright. Either that, or Dirk needs to step up on the rebounds and do a better job of boxing Joel Anthony out.
    Possibly...are you advocating going to a man-d or just playing some box-and-1, with Dirk on Bosh? tbh it would be funny to see Bosh as the focal point of the box and 1, rather than James or Wade

    Dirk's not the most physical guy in the world, and that's all Anthony's game is...so I'd rather see him guarding Bosh instead of fighting for boards.

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    Possibly...are you advocating going to a man-d or just playing some box-and-1, with Dirk on Bosh? tbh it would be funny to see Bosh as the focal point of the box and 1, rather than James or Wade

    Dirk's not the most physical guy in the world, and that's all Anthony's game is...so I'd rather see him guarding Bosh instead of fighting for boards.
    In the time they play man-d, which is usually what they play when they have the starting unit on the floor, Dirk should be on Bosh.

    It's interesting to note how good of a job Stevenson has done in the time he spent defending d-wade this season. Wade has scored only like 5 or 6 points the entire time this season and postseason when Deshawn has been on him, with a pretty bad percentage.

    Honestly, the Mavs IMO need to play more Stevenson in this series, and maybe a little less Terry. Stevenson just needs to be ready to knock some open 3s down like he did in G1, and the Mavs in general need to have Dirk work harder to open each half to get the Mavs off to a good start, and to try to draw some quick fouls on the opposition.

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    In the time they play man-d, which is usually what they play when they have the starting unit on the floor, Dirk should be on Bosh.

    It's interesting to note how good of a job Stevenson has done in the time he spent defending d-wade this season. Wade has scored only like 5 or 6 points the entire time this season and postseason when Deshawn has been on him, with a pretty bad percentage.

    Honestly, the Mavs IMO need to play more Stevenson in this series, and maybe a little less Terry. Stevenson just needs to be ready to knock some open 3s down like he did in G1, and the Mavs in general need to have Dirk work harder to open each half to get the Mavs off to a good start, and to try to draw some quick fouls on the opposition.
    I agree with Stevenson over Terry, especially if they gravitate more to man-defense, but he's gotta hit the open shot. As Game 1 showed, points are going to be at a premium in this series, so if he's cold than Carlisle's gotta put Terry in and switch back to zone.

    With Stevenson, the Mavs have 4 pretty damn good defensive starters (with Dirk being the only mediocre/subpar defender), and offer a better perimeter D than anyone else Miami has faced thus far.

    My only reservation with the man-d is that Miami is much more likely to get the individual defenders in foul trouble. The zone has already proven to be effective against Miami, so a variation of the box-and-1 (with Dirk on Bosh) could work--especially since it keeps Tyse in the paint.

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    From a statistical standpoint, he's stepped his game up (from reg season to playoffs) more than anyone else on the Heat. He's hit clutch baskets, had key rebounds, and has played "decent" defense.

    This current matchup has his name written all over it. He can be automatic in the high post with that midrange J...it's all in how he's utilized and how aggressive he chooses to be. Game 1 he had 12 FTAs, so that's a good sign for Miami.
    I've been definitely shock at the level he is playing at so far but still keep expecting him to fold, just hoping I'm wrong there scrah...

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    I agree with Stevenson over Terry, especially if they gravitate more to man-defense, but he's gotta hit the open shot. As Game 1 showed, points are going to be at a premium in this series, so if he's cold than Carlisle's gotta put Terry in and switch back to zone.

    With Stevenson, the Mavs have 4 pretty damn good defensive starters (with Dirk being the only mediocre/subpar defender), and offer a better perimeter D than anyone else Miami has faced thus far.

    My only reservation with the man-d is that Miami is much more likely to get the individual defenders in foul trouble. The zone has already proven to be effective against Miami, so a variation of the box-and-1 (with Dirk on Bosh) could work--especially since it keeps Tyse in the paint.
    I agree completely about foul trouble on man-d. There is still just no stopping Bron when he gets momentum, as evidenced when he got that and-1 dunk late in the game. I would honestly prefer that the Mavs play more zone, because its a proven weakness for the Miami offense, and just use man defense at select times to keep them guessing and not let them get in a rhythm against the zone.

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    I'm not a Hollinger hater but the article is re ed, he's looking the glass half full from a Mavs perspective, I could take the same examples and make an analysis in favour of the Heat.

    For example:

    Are the Heat going to keep the three point battle close? The 11-24 3pt Fg of Miami against the 9-22 of Dallas indicates they will.

    Would the Mavs' starters be able to compete? The 27-17 bench points difference in favour of the Heat prove they can.

    Would Dallas shut own the big three? No, the big three mostly did as they pleased, scoring 65 pts with 28 rbs, 14 assts an 3 blks.

    We can also say that the Mavs zone allows the Heat to take a lot of offensive rebounds.

    Then there's this:

    Would the Mavs be able to play Jason Terry? Yes. He played 33 minutes, and at no time were you thinking, "This is a horrible defensive mismatch, they've gotta get Terry out of there." Terry, in fact, was the only Dallas player to avoid a negative plus/minus; he finished dead even.
    Of course Carlisle is going to play one of his best players for 33 minutes, how effective is that player while on the court is another thing.

    Would Miami shut down Dirk? No. Nowitzki mostly did as he pleased, scoring 27 points on 18 shots and committing only two turnovers. While he was only 7-of-18 from the floor, he earned 12 free throw attempts and made all of them. Plus, as usual, he drew swarms of defensive attention, which created space for Dallas' other shooters.
    I'm pretty sure Heat fans would be pleased to see Dirk scoring 27 pts on 7/18 shooting all the games of this series.

    See what I did there? It's pretty simple.

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    Manu > Dirk
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    skull ed by 8th seed

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    I'm not a Hollinger hater but the article is re ed, he's looking the glass half full from a Mavs perspective, I could take the same examples and make an analysis in favour of the Heat.
    you arent a hollinger hater, but you are a mav hater, and a stupid ing idiot who thinks manu > dirk

    Are the Heat going to keep the three point battle close? The 11-24 3pt Fg of Miami against the 9-22 of Dallas indicates they will.
    this is dumb because the mavs are known as being a great 3pt shooting team, and miami is known to struggle from there. this is pretty much an anomaly, not only that they shot as well as they did (lol fadeaway sideways 3s and pullup 3s with hands in your face), but took so many. shooting 3s is not their style of play, and going by their history, this game was more them being fortunate than actually being a team that is expected to outshoot the mavs from 3

    Would the Mavs' starters be able to compete? The 27-17 bench points difference in favour of the Heat prove they can.
    this doesnt even make sense. but as for the bench, all season Dallas has been known for having perhaps the best bench in the league, while Miami has been known for having one of the worst. again, this is more of an anomaly than anything.

    Would Dallas shut own the big three? No, the big three mostly did as they pleased, scoring 65 pts with 28 rbs, 14 assts an 3 blks.
    are you re ed? first off, no one is shutting down the big 3. second, shutting the big 3 down isnt the goal. keeping them in check is, and the mavs did a pretty solid job of that. bron was the only one who had a really good game, and even then, he was forced to do things he usually is not very proficient at.

    I'm pretty sure Heat fans would be pleased to see Dirk scoring 27 pts on 7/18 shooting all the games of this series.
    with 12 ftas? big difference. and exactly how often does dirk shoots that poorly?

    See what I did there? It's pretty simple.
    no youre an idiot

    lol manu > dirk

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