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    Dropping fuckin' loads! Nick Manning's Avatar
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    There are a few great posters here (on both sides). FWD and MB are definitely 2 of the more knowledgeable ones, and I enjoy reading their takes

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    Thanks Manny. I know I've changed my mind on a few various topics, thanks to some good argumentation on here. I know others have as well: for instance, WC admitted he was wrong about the President having the authority to declare war (and sustain it for more than 60 days) without Congressional approval.
    Just to possibly throw a wrench into whatever resolution was reached, no president has ever felt bound by the provisions of the War Powers Act, though they usually act in a manner "consistent" with them.

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    Dropping fuckin' loads! Nick Manning's Avatar
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    I mustn't forget Wild Cobra in my list of "posters whose takes I enjoy reading." Although he's hopelessly ignorant and his posts are completely devoid of any factual information, the unintentional comedy he brings to the political forum is unmatched.

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    I know Winehole has swayed me, if not changed my mind entirely. RG has had some effect at time (at others discussions with him make me dig in my heals). Other posters I will definitely pay attention to what they have to say (FWDT, Manny & others)
    Good to hear, i thought that was an impossibility here.

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    Just to possibly throw a wrench into whatever resolution was reached, no president has ever felt bound by the provisions of the War Powers Act, though they usually act in a manner "consistent" with them.
    Well, we were talking more about what "should" be rather than what is. The current Libya situations lays that all too bare. (in the same vein, Andrew Jackson also defied SCOTUS IIRC.)

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    ...ever changed their mind and agreed with someone of the opposite political persuasion?

    I love trench warfare.
    I agree that Kennedy was one of the best presidents we ever had, but I normally hate democrats. Does that count?

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    Rumor has it Boutons just slapped a Palin 2012 sticker on his 1975 AMC Gremlin.
    Damn.

    I was wrong.

    I thought he had a Pacer.

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    Consensus can only be reached if both parties work under some sort of standard of common sense. For me, all I can say is I'm willing to be proven wrong when I'm arguing, as I have been numerous times in the years I've been here. I will admit it wasn't always the case, but I guess one evolves, in a sense, when faced with years of dealing with unmovable bull partisanship. There are a number of characters in this forum, however, that present a challenge when it comes to finding some middle ground.

    Wild Cobra for example, has continuously proven that his game is arguing for the sake of arguing, even in the face of insurmountable evidence that he doesn't have a ing clue what he's talking about. Its somewhat hard to find a middle ground between different dimensions. Dude's ass does all his posting as far as I'm concerned.

    To be honest, there are few people in this forum that have the ability to present their case in such a well thought out, clear way that they are able to sway opinions on truly controversial matters. FWDT comes to mind as does Extra Stout who unfortunately he's been MIA for a while now. There are others.

    As far as willingness to be open minded, I've seen a few instances where people have conceded they might have been wrong about an issue, not many grant you, but a few.

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    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
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    Wild Cobra for example, has continuously proven that his game is arguing for the sake of arguing,
    There is a small degree of truth to this, to the point I like the conflict. However, I do say what I believe.
    even in the face of insurmountable evidence that he doesn't have a ing clue what he's talking about.
    This isn't true. There have been times I jumped to conclusions, or got the wrong ides. Just because a consensus here is often against me, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Consensus is not fact.
    Its somewhat hard to find a middle ground between different dimensions. Dude's ass does all his posting as far as I'm concerned.
    Sorry that's all you look at.

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    Not related to politics per se but a few posters have changed my view of when the universe was created, when the earth was created, etc. They've also convinced me that I just had it all mixed up when it came to particle physics and radiologic science.

    You know who you are........I'm forever indebted.

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    I recall a thread a couple years back about Israel-Palestinian conflict that had quite a few people from both sides of the fence agreeing with each other after initially butting heads. Was quite a good thread to see.

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    ...ever changed their mind and agreed with someone of the opposite political persuasion?

    I love trench warfare.
    It happens very occasionally.

    Someone might believe something, but be reasonable enough to be persuaded with decent data and logical arguments.

    Most of the time people simply re-trench and wave their hands at stuff that contradicts their pre-existing views, or simply move on to the next topic trying to ignore the fact that reality beat them upside the head.

    I can remember at least once or twice actually being persuaded in an argument, but can't remember when/what.

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    It has happened. No one notices.
    Where's the drama in being reasonable?

    All you have to do is sort the forum by number of replies/views. The more outrageous/hotbutton the stuff is, the more likely it is to get the real quacks who won't change their minds if you rubbed their face in their own pile of .

    Apollo moon thread anyone?

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    To be honest, there are few people in this forum that have the ability to present their case in such a well thought out, clear way that they are able to sway opinions on truly controversial matters. FWDT comes to mind as does Extra Stout who unfortunately he's been MIA for a while now. There are others.
    ES went off the deep end. He still lurks here occasionally and posts under other sockpuppets.

    He seems to have concluded the US will collapse into civil war and that leftists need their throats slit to make things better in the long run, or something along those lines.

    Of course, he is smart enough to pull off some convincing bull if he put his mind to it, so I could have that wrong. I miss the reasonable ES too.

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    ES went off the deep end.
    I wonder. Maybe we're the crazy ones and he went sane.

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    I wonder. Maybe we're the crazy ones and he went sane.
    Nahhhh.

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    No darkness Cry Havoc's Avatar
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    ES went off the deep end. He still lurks here occasionally and posts under other sockpuppets.

    He seems to have concluded the US will collapse into civil war and that leftists need their throats slit to make things better in the long run, or something along those lines.

    Of course, he is smart enough to pull off some convincing bull if he put his mind to it, so I could have that wrong. I miss the reasonable ES too.
    At this point I would say that's fairly accurate. The only thing I would think is more likely to happen is the US slowly descending into a complete oligarchy or opaque caste system (kind of already is, but you see my point).

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    Quitting this forum probably hurt us more than it hurt him. For him, it was probably a good move -- there weren't too many posters at his level. I certainly wasn't.

    I have very little doubt ES has found greener pastures elsewhere. The rumors of a crack-up are just that imo.

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    Does somebody know the dude, or something?

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    in this great field, littered with such stark intellectual hubris, i highly doubt it.

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    The more outrageous/hotbutton the stuff is, the more likely it is to get the real quacks who won't change their minds if you rubbed their face in their own pile of .
    Not much point in trying to change someone else's mind on a messageboard, but I get a tremendous kick out of the rubbing of the face in their own intellectual .

    which should surprise noone.

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    in this great field, littered with such stark intellectual hubris, i highly doubt it.
    ES is a Spurs fan, lives in SA, I think. Someone might have a bead on him in meatspace.

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    ES is a Spurs fan, lives in SA, I think. Someone might have a bead on him in meatspace.
    ask marcus where he went.

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    thanks, clambake.

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    I know that WC's illumination of how much "good" charities actually donate educated me and changed my mind about the charity in the OP.

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