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    George Hill: 2-Guard NewJerSpur's Avatar
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    Riley is not going back to coaching
    I don't think so either and the Heat are no slam dunk to win anything moving forward (i.e. It's not a given even the most credible coach will simply tip the scale). As I've been saying for some time, Wade can get what he wants no matter what a defense throws at him, LeBron can be stopped with a solid double team and good officiating which limits what they can do in the halfcourt. They NEED transition buckets off the TO's to ignite the offense.

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    I think they sign Adelman. Surely he'll be able to run a real offense with the level of talent they have.
    I second this. Said the same thing to my buddy the other day.

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    I mentioned Van Gundy because he was still slobbering all over the Heat even after they were done.
    He and Mark Jackson did seem peculiarly butthurt at the end.

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    I don't think so either and the Heat are no slam dunk to win anything moving forward (i.e. It's not a given even the most credible coach will simply tip the scale). As I've been saying for some time, Wade can get what he wants no matter what a defense throws at him, LeBron can be stopped with a solid double team and good officiating which limits what they can do in the halfcourt. They NEED transition buckets off the TO's to ignite the offense.
    I think it's a sure a thing as there is that they ring a couple of times in the next 4-5 seasons. No way they don't win les with that level of talent, even if they keep Spoelstra. You could tell they thought it would be easy with that ridiculous press conference promising 7+ les, but now they know it never is. I think you see a pissed off and focused Heat team next season that lives up to its talent; especially if they land a better coach and a serviceable center. I have to think LeBron is embarrassed as , and that he'll try to have a jumpshot for whenever we see NBA basketball again also.

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    I couldn't disagree more. This Heat team probably won't ring, let alone, a couple times
    in the next few years. They need more help, and even then, I don't see it.

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    I think it's a sure a thing as there is that they ring a couple of times in the next 4-5 seasons. No way they don't win les with that level of talent, even if they keep Spoelstra. You could tell they thought it would be easy with that ridiculous press conference promising 7+ les, but now they know it never is. I think you see a pissed off and focused Heat team next season that lives up to its talent; especially if they land a better coach and a serviceable center. I have to think LeBron is embarrassed as , and that he'll try to have a jumpshot for whenever we see NBA basketball again also.
    He had a perfect opportunity to ring this year which flew out the window in large part due to his play in the 4th quarter of Game 2. He put pressure on himself after Game 4 and still came up short in the 4th quarter of Game 5. Other teams will improve around the Heat and they will throw more doubles at him in the halfcourt and either force him to pass or try to fight through the doubles and force up contested shots in hopes of drawing a foul.

    They had a relatively easy path to the le but dropped the ball and I don't expect with another year it's goingto get easier. LeBron should still get his numbers overall, that's just how it works and what he's been doing with the way he's been officiated, but I'll believe it when I see it in terms of a ring especially after getting owned by JET and the Matrix of all people.

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    Does the East have the two teams with the most over-the-top talent and the worst coaches? (Spo in Miami, D'Antoni in NY)

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    I think it's a sure a thing as there is that they ring a couple of times in the next 4-5 seasons.
    Never a sure thing. Might be injuries, might be chemistry issues, some other team might just be plain better.

    You never know how long the window will stay open in sports.

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    Starting Chalmers should've been done once Barea got the start.

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    Starting Chalmers should've been done once Barea got the start.
    Chalmers showed more heart than LeBron, but JJ was not to be denied.....especially once he and Dirk got the PnR going. Miami forgot how to defend it and looked like every other team that fell prey to the Mavs.

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    Never a sure thing. Might be injuries, might be chemistry issues, some other team might just be plain better.

    You never know how long the window will stay open in sports.
    Of course injuries could derail them, but 2 first-ballot HOFers in their prime is as sure as it gets. I think it would take something extraordinary happening for that core to never win a le.

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    He had a perfect opportunity to ring this year which flew out the window in large part due to his play in the 4th quarter of Game 2. He put pressure on himself after Game 4 and still came up short in the 4th quarter of Game 5. Other teams will improve around the Heat and they will throw more doubles at him in the halfcourt and either force him to pass or try to fight through the doubles and force up contested shots in hopes of drawing a foul.

    They had a relatively easy path to the le but dropped the ball and I don't expect with another year it's goingto get easier. LeBron should still get his numbers overall, that's just how it works and what he's been doing with the way he's been officiated, but I'll believe it when I see it in terms of a ring especially after getting owned by JET and the Matrix of all people.
    That was in no way an easy path, considering Dallas was at the end of it. The Mavericks murdered the two-time defending champions and toyed with a very good Oklahoma City team. It's not like they got hot and just stole a series. As crazy as it seems on paper, this 2011 Mavericks team is one of the most impressive champions I have seen in a while.

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    That was in no way an easy path, considering Dallas was at the end of it. The Mavericks murdered the two-time defending champions and toyed with a very good Oklahoma City team. It's not like they got hot and just stole a series. As crazy as it seems on paper, this 2011 Mavericks team is one of the most impressive champions I have seen in a while.
    Offensively I agree whol heartedly defensively theye were good but when Miami moved the ball especially against man2 man they got what they wanted ...

    Best passing team since 80's Celts or Lakers plus they won minus: Caron, roddy B ...and haywood most of this series. Haywood takes Ian's mins. Caron takes Peja and Marion gets more rest ... Roddy B spells Kidd they could be even better next year but as Tait says you never know ...

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    That was in no way an easy path, considering Dallas was at the end of it. The Mavericks murdered the two-time defending champions and toyed with a very good Oklahoma City team. It's not like they got hot and just stole a series. As crazy as it seems on paper, this 2011 Mavericks team is one of the most impressive champions I have seen in a while.
    Mavs had a great run, no doubt, but the east was Miami's for the taking with:

    1) A young, inexperienced team in Philly under a new coach
    2) An injured Boston Celtic's team with chemistry issues
    3) A Chicago Bulls team with no balance on offense and Carlos Boozer as a
    2nd option

    They had a 15-point lead midway through the 4th against Dallas in Game 2 and pulled an OKC in that they stopped running offense (and consistently putting the balls in Wade's hands) when the Mavs were still reeling and started started chucking. I give the Mavs props for stemming the tide, but Heat blew the lead and gave Dallas confidence going home where they'd only lost once in this year's playoffs, not to mention injuries and bad play shorted Carlisle's roatation. I just don't think overall you're going to get an easier path to the trophy, especially with a Hard Cap being a real possibility under the new CBA.

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    Mavs had a great run, no doubt, but the east was Miami's for the taking with:

    1) A young, inexperienced team in Philly under a new coach
    2) An injured Boston Celtic's team with chemistry issues
    3) A Chicago Bulls team with no balance on offense and Carlos Boozer as a
    2nd option

    They had a 15-point lead midway through the 4th against Dallas in Game 2 and pulled an OKC in that they stopped running offense (and consistently putting the balls in Wade's hands) when the Mavs were still reeling and started started chucking. I give the Mavs props for stemming the tide, but Heat blew the lead and gave Dallas confidence going home where they'd only lost once in this year's playoffs, not to mention injuries and bad play shorted Carlisle's roatation. I just don't think overall you're going to get an easier path to the trophy, especially with a Hard Cap being a real possibility under the new CBA.
    Nah, an easy path to the Finals would be the ones the Nets took in the early 2000s or the ones the Lakers took in the 80s. Chicago was a flawed team for sure, but they won 62 games and were incredible closers until that series. I think people are overreacting with Miami. James reminds me a lot of a young Shaq; immature player with ridiculous physical talent who relies too much on size and athleticism and has therefore paid for it against really good teams. If he can develop his jumpshot the way Shaq improved his footwork and hook shot I think he can have that same level of success. I believe James when he says he's really committed to winning, and there can be no illusions this time around: he knows he has to diversify his game. He can't blame Mo Williams or Danny Ferry now.

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    Nah, an easy path to the Finals would be the ones the Nets took in the early 2000s or the ones the Lakers took in the 80s. Chicago was a flawed team for sure, but they won 62 games and were incredible closers until that series. I think people are overreacting with Miami. James reminds me a lot of a young Shaq; immature player with ridiculous physical talent who relies too much on size and athleticism and has therefore paid for it against really good teams. If he can develop his jumpshot the way Shaq improved his footwork and hook shot I think he can have that same level of success. I believe James when he says he's really committed to winning, and there can be no illusions this time around: he knows he has to diversify his game. He can't blame Mo Williams or Danny Ferry now.
    I've learned more and more to never believe anything James says, even when it comes to himself . Once the Bulls met a team that played comparable defense to themselves, it came down to the play on the other end, in which case Chicago didn't have enough bullets in the chamber imo....that should change in the offseason and though I will admit the East back in 2000 was much weaker the level of compe ion could strengthen moving forward in the conference. The Knicks played Miami tough post-the Melo trade with little chemistry.

    Shaq was always going to be taking relatively high percentage shots and always going to be tough to offciate because of his size and the nature of his position. As you mentioned, LeBron has to develop a consitent midrange game on the largest of stages which is going to be challenging because of his reliance so much on his physicality. Couple that with him realizing this is still Wade's team, meaning he has to learn what his role is (which may never be clearly defined) and the Heat have some challenges ahead of them imo.
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