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I think Kidd should retire, tbh. Why not? He's 38, and just won his first NBA le. Go out on top. If he comes back, I think it might actually hurt the Mavs and will eventually lead to Mavs fans hating the out of him ala Laker fans with Fisher....
I think Kidd should retire, tbh. Why not? He's 38, and just won his first NBA le. Go out on top. If he comes back, I think it might actually hurt the Mavs and will eventually lead to Mavs fans hating the out of him ala Laker fans with Fisher....
Tbh, I don't see much of a drop off in the guys' game. He's in great shape and most of his game is just mental. He doesn't have to carry the scoring burden, just sit and play catch with his teammates until one of em finds an open shot... He'll easily play till he's 40 IMO.
Dirk otoh I don't know about his game looks like its starting to teeter.
Why force it? Just go out on top ala David Robinson. Best way to go out in my opinion....
Why deal with ifs when you won it all
Kidd will thrive in his backup role to Deron Williams.
all that matters is that in the end, both players had their chance to have a major effect on this team winning a championship. Kidd came out on top. Harris didnt.
Kidd trade = win for the Mavs
bullsfan1000 can herself
Kidd did a decent enough job on Wade. But I do think a few things helped him. Tyson Chandler as an interior presence helped to some degree. And having a scrub guys like DeShawn Stevenson and Shawn Marion switch over, even if just for short stretched, also helped. Wade still got off at times. Kidd did a solid job, but if the Heat played smarter, I think that could have been a more exploitable match-up that could have tipped the scales in Miami's favor. Going forward, how confident are you that Kidd can maintain a high level of defensive ability on elite guards, especially when he's the only option on the court at the time (when he's paired with Terry or Barea). It will be interesting to see what the Mavs do to strengthen guard depth defensively, or if they'll just keep everyone and stick with that.
You won a championship with his help, so that's an automatic yes.
Kidd make his team mates better and he shots better now. He still plays some defense too. He usually plays well in the playoffs, for the Mavs he's much better than Harris.
The Mavs added many quality players, it was a matter of time to have the right combination, their coach is good, they have the best NBA player, they drafted well, Cuban spent a lot, in the end they succeeded.
I think Kidd will play out his contract (which means just this upcoming year) and retire. No way we win the le with Harris
yes
More to the point, did this vanquish the mistake of letting Steve Nash go in 2004?
I'd say reaching the 06 Finals already did that.
It was a mistake no matter what results have happened since 04.
We won the championship. That's all that matters. The what ifs are getting tiresome. I'm willing to stop talking about Harris now. We won the ring (unless Cuban changes his mind lol). That's all that matters.
Kidd is the 2nd Best PG of all time. Devin Harris got owned by Stuart Tanner.
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Kidd has a decent argument, but it's debatable. You have Isiah of course. If you're talking pure PGs, you have to mention Stockton whether you think he's overrated or not. And depending if you consider him a PG, you got Oscar. Kidd's in the conversation but I don't think I'd put him at #2 among PGs.
You won. Kidd's 3 point shooting makes the difference.
You won a ring, so yes, you won. Nothing else matters.
Cuban decided that he couldn't win a le with Dirk and Nash on the floor together. At that point in their careers they were atrocious defensive players ( Dirk has improved greatly in this respect). Nash was a 31 year old PG with a history of injuries and Dirk was a 25 year old big, so they decided to use Nash's salary slot on Dampier. It was the right idea in theory, and despite being wildly overpaid, I think Dampier was a useful player defensively and we probably wouldn't have reached the 2006 Finals without his defense and rebounding, but his effort and production really tailed off to the end of his tenure here when he lost his starter's job to Haywood.
But if it was a mistake to essentially take Dampier over Nash, then it was rectified by getting Chandler with Damp's expiring contract. Without Chandler, we don't win a le. So in a way, even when Cuban made a mistake (signing Dampier), it paid off eventually.
Of course that is the great What If: What would have happened if Cuban made a reasonable offer to Nash and kept him? I tend to believe that Nash would have continued to be the same kind of borderline All Star in Dallas than the franchise player he was in Phoenix. I think he was more of a focal point in D'Antoni's system in Phoenix whereas Dallas has always been built around Dirk.
Harris had one great year since the trade but he was putting up numbers on a bad team: empty calories if you think about it when his usage rate went up. Since then he's been traded again and his defense has tailed off.
All the credit in the world has to be given to Kidd for reinventing himself and finding a way to be useful at the age of 38. He's lost a lot of his athleticism. Without his 3-point shot, he'd be out of the league.
*cough cough Magic Johnson cough cough*
What are you coughing at? The post I responded to talked about Kidd as the second best PG. #1 is not even debatable. Why would I mention him if he's already #1?
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