The reality in Libya.

[Wild Cobra]

Let me revise my statement to say I don't believe he is guilty of anything over the last several years he is being accused of. He has done some things we would consider outright evil in the past. Where's the evidence for the reasons we entered this conflict.

Do you know what this civil, war boils down to? I'm all but certain its about religion. You have two variations of Islam against each other. It would surprise me if the UN entering on the side of the rebels is about oil and trade.

I don't like Gaddafi. However, I prefer the devil we know, over an unknown who might be worse.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I never believed he was guilty of anything other than trying to stop what could be anything from between armed thugs to insurrection. Our laws don't apply to a sovereign nation. He may be a dictator, but Libya fairs very well as nations with dictators go.

If you were only able to convince bush to not rush into Iraq..oh well

[ChumpDumper]

Do you know what this civil, war boils down to? I'm all but certain its about religion. You have two variations of Islam against each other.

Which variations?

I prefer the devil

No .

[Wild Cobra]

If we are going to police the world from Sharia law, then why are we in so few countries?

We may not like how they do justice, but it's their way. Any desire to stop it means waging a war against religion. As long as they stay Gaddafi doesn't attack other nations, we should leave him alone.

[ChumpDumper]

Which variations?

[RandomGuy]

Do you know what this civil, war boils down to? I'm all but certain its about religion. You have two variations of Islam against each other.

?????

Do tell.

Which two variations would that be?

[RandomGuy]

Don't anybody go all Admiral Akbar here. This looks to be good.

[RandomGuy]

yoooo hooo?

is this thing on?

[RandomGuy]

WC?

For someone who is "all but certain", your inability to name the two warring sects is beginning to look bad.

On the other hand, you could simply admit you were talking out your ass.

[ChumpDumper]

You're just prejudiced against people who make up!

You big meanie!

[SnakeBoy]

The Truth About Libya
By Stephen Goodson
4-1-11 Colonel Muammar Gadaffi is frequently referred to in the media as a "mad dictator" and "bloody tyrant", but do these allegations accord with the facts? Libya consists of over 15O tribes, with the two main groups, the Meghabra living in Tripolitania in the west and the Wafallah living in Cyrenaica in the east. Previous attempts to unite these tribes by the Turkish (1855-1911) and ltalian {1911-43) colonial rulers failed and the country was split in two for administrative purposes. Oil was discovered in Libya in 1959, but King ldris of the Senussi tribe allowed most of the oil profits to be siphoned into the coffers of the oil companies. The coup d'etat on 1 September 1969 led by Colonel Gadaffi had countrywide support. He subsequently married a woman from the royal Barqa tribe and adroitly unified the nation. By retaining Libya's oil wealth for the benefit of all its people, Gadaffi had created a socialist paradise. There is no unemployment, Libya has the highest GDP in .Africa, less than 5% of the population is classified as poor and it has fewer people living below the poverty datum line than for example in Holland. Life expectancy is 75 years and is the highest in Africa and I0% above the world average. With the exception of the nomadic Bedouin and Tuareg tribes, most Libyan families possess a house and a car. There is free health care and education and not surprisingly Libya has a literacy rate of 82%. Last year Gadaffi distributed $500 to each man, woman and child (population 6.5 million). Libya has a tolerable human rights record and stands at 61 on the International Incarceration Index, comparable with countries in central Europe (the lower the rating, the lower the standing - the USA occupies the no.1 spot!). There is hardly any crime and only rebels and traitors are dealt with harshly. Anyone who has read Gadaffi's little Green Book will realize that he is a thoughtful and enlightened leader. Libya has been accused of having committed numerous acts of terrorism in the past, but many of these have been perpetrated by foreign intelligence agencies as false flag operations - the Lockerbie bombing being a prime example. The CIA and MI6 and their frontmen have been stoking up dissent in the east of the country for almost 30 years. Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world. Riba (usury) is not permitted. The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West. The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians. It is an act of war Luck_The_Fakers_ a blatant and crude attempt by the oil corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya.

Must all be true. There's no disputing large bolded font.

[RandomGuy]

Anyone who has read Gadaffi's little Green Book will realize that he is a thoughtful and enlightened leader.

It is a rambling mess, poorly put together, and incoherent as to be virtually incomprehensible.

For those interested:
http://www.mathaba.net/gci/theory/gb.htm

Political theory by an uneducated crank, who lucked into power for a decade or two.

Heard about it on an NPR thing, and tried skimming it out of curiousity. Bleah.

[RandomGuy]

Do you know what this civil, war boils down to? I'm all but certain its about religion. You have two variations of Islam against each other.

?????
Do tell.

Which two variations would that be?

[RandomGuy]

Still no answer.

[coyotes_geek]

Speaking of Libya, read that Obama is going to tap the strategic petroleum reserve, allegedly to compensate for lost Libyan oil production. A completely unnecessary and foolish move IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

Speaking of Libya, read that Obama is going to tap the strategic petroleum reserve, allegedly to compensate for lost Libyan oil production. A completely unnecessary and foolish move IMO.

Absolutely foolish. There isn't enough to make more than a dent in price. Does anyone care for a few pennies at most per gallon?

[RandomGuy]

Absolutely foolish. There isn't enough to make more than a dent in price. Does anyone care for a few pennies at most per gallon?

...goes the argument against drilling in ANWAR.


And still not an answer to the question posed a few posts up.

[Wild Cobra]

...goes the argument against drilling in ANWAR.

Except that the reservoir is for a specific purpose, and a fixed amount based on what has aleady taken from the ground. ANWAR could easily be far more oil than we know, but we won't know how big it really is until we drill.

And still not an answer to the question posed a few posts up.

I have learned there are certain topics that just bring on endless arguments. I know I would never be able to satisfy most here with any response in this region. At the same time, nobody agreeing with this action can show any evidence either, except what the rebels have said.

In the end, I will maintain that we will likely get worse than what we already have in Libya if the government changes hands.

Remember back to the late 70's when revolts changed the powers in both Iraq and Iran. Look what it produced.

If Gadhafi is replaced, I predict we will have bigger problems over there.

[ChumpDumper]

I have learned there are certain topics that just bring on endless arguments. I know I would never be able to satisfy most here with any response in this region.

So you just made up that about variations of Islam.

We understand.

[Wild Cobra]

So you just made up that about variations of Islam.

We understand.

Not at all, but it's people like you I get tired of, and it isn't an important enough point to defend. We simply shouldn't be picking a side in this. If it were not for our actions, I solidly believe the casualties would have stopped.

[ChumpDumper]

Not at all, but it's people like you I get tired of, and it isn't an important enough point to defend.

You think it's the basis of the entire conflict in Libya.

lol not important

[ChumpDumper]

If it were not for our actions, I solidly believe the casualties would have stopped.

Wait, what actions?

You said there were no air strikes.

[Wild Cobra]

Wait, what actions?

You said there were no air strikes.

I said that Gaddafi never attacked his people by air. That was one claim as to why the UN started this. Our interference took out Gaddafi's ability to suppress rebel action, and now there is a full scale civil war. How many will die before this is over.

[Wild Cobra]

You think it's the basis of the entire conflict in Libya.

lol not important

I'm saying the basis that the UN is going on is a lie.

[RandomGuy]

Except that the reservoir is for a specific purpose, and a fixed amount based on what has aleady taken from the ground. ANWAR could easily be far more oil than we know, but we won't know how big it really is until we drill.

I have learned there are certain topics that just bring on endless arguments. I know I would never be able to satisfy most here with any response in this region. At the same time, nobody agreeing with this action can show any evidence either, except what the rebels have said.

In the end, I will maintain that we will likely get worse than what we already have in Libya if the government changes hands.

Remember back to the late 70's when revolts changed the powers in both Iraq and Iran. Look what it produced.

If Gadhafi is replaced, I predict we will have bigger problems over there.

Translation:

"I am unwilling to admit I was talking out my ass. Can we please change the subject?"

Jeez, man, do you want me to show the particular religious make ups of the various regions in Libya showing you that they are all sunni?

Do I need to do that?

Making a mistake is one thing, not owning up to it, when it is so obvious is something else entirely.