Man "Rebukes" Tornado w/ "Spoken Word Power" ZOMG!

[Nathan Explosion]

I have no idea what your point is supposed to be.

Free will to choose heaven or given by a supposed loving, omniscient God is a horrible paradox in Christian theology.

It's a simple, simple idea. Choose to follow Jesus and God and be saved, or don't choose to follow them and be damned. It's not a paradox but rather a simple test of faith.

Again, it's not what I believe in, but it's not that hard to understand. People want to poke holes in it all they want and make it out to be this contradiction that proves that God doesn't exist, but really, all you're doing is exercising our free will as God supposedly intended it to be.

Again, know your if you're going to try and talk . Basic principle. If there is a God and he were to cast me to for not believing, I know that I went to for exercising my free will to think for myself. ed up I know, but hey, it's the path I chose. I'd rather choose than it be predetermined. Now that's ed up, because it would mean that God predetermined your life to be ed up if it is. Now THAT'S a paradox.

[Nathan Explosion]

So, I guess all those other people's houses, right? That's what Jesus would do.

They didn't choose to place their faith in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

It's all just stupid . If God does exist, I don't think that he has anything to do with our day to day lives. Being an omniscient, omnipresent being and actually doing something about it are two different things.

But really, this is just mother nature doing her thing and letting us all know that only "she" decides who get spared and who gets slapped, and there's no real rhyme or reason as to why "she" decides what she decides especially when it comes to tornadoes.

Science can answer many things, but when it comes to weather, it's almost a crap shoot as to what we know what's going to happen at times.

[Sisk]

It's a simple, simple idea.

[Nathan Explosion]

By the way, I don't think it's funny that homes got destroyed. I think it's funny that you're belief in God and Jesus saved you. I'm of the opinion that God, if he exists, doesn't mingle in our day to day lives, but rather is a grand scheme of things type of God. What we do from day to day is random chance mixed with the consequences of our decisions, no outside interference needed.

[ohmwrecker]

It's a simple, simple idea. Choose to follow Jesus and God and be saved, or don't choose to follow them and be damned. It's not a paradox but rather a simple test of faith.

Again, it's not what I believe in, but it's not that hard to understand. People want to poke holes in it all they want and make it out to be this contradiction that proves that God doesn't exist, but really, all you're doing is exercising our free will as God supposedly intended it to be.

Again, know your if you're going to try and talk . Basic principle. If there is a God and he were to cast me to for not believing, I know that I went to for exercising my free will to think for myself. ed up I know, but hey, it's the path I chose. I'd rather choose than it be predetermined. Now that's ed up, because it would mean that God predetermined your life to be ed up if it is. Now THAT'S a paradox.

The paradox is, what happens to the good person who lives a life that conforms or emulates the tenets/doctrines of Christianity, but is not a Christian and does not believe in God?

What happens to the person who is good because they believe it is right to be so and not from fear of punishment, or promise of reward in the afterlife?

[Nathan Explosion]

The paradox is, what happens to the good person who lives a life that conforms or emulates the tenets/doctrines of Christianity, but is not a Christian and does not believe in God?

What happens to the person who is good because they believe it is right to be so and not from fear of punishment, or promise of reward in the afterlife?

Again, not a paradox. God rewards faith. What happens to a good person who chooses not to believe in the one en y that is supposed to save them? Well, they chose to ignore that en y and suffer the consequences. God is a jealous god. Read the First Commandment. The Adam and Eve story was one of free will. It's all in Genesis.

Or read John 3:16, only one of the most famous bible verses. You have to believe to be saved. Hey, I know this. I choose not to believe, and I'm a damn good person. And if judgment day comes and I get cast into , then so be it. It was my choice.

But then again, I don't believe in being good to get rewarded (don't even believe in an after life really), I believe in being good for the sake of being good. I also believe that if God does exists, and his spirit is one of being a benevolent god, then he'd reward those who were good. But again, that's not what we're discussing and an issue for a separate discussion altogether (I believe in the chance of God existing, but I also believe that the scriptures were not his word or the word of Jesus. I believe in the spirit of the teachings, be a good person to yourself and others, is what would earn you salvation if God existed, and not the literal translation of the bible).

Again, the paradox is not that God lets you choose what kind of person you want to be and what type of life you lead, but rather, some people believe in predetermination, that God already decides what your life is and where you're going no matter what you do. God has a plan. that.

If God was omni-benevolent and determined that I was destined to have a ed up life, then that is ed up and a paradox.

[ohmwrecker]

Then why not just live your life however you wish. Ignoring all of Christianity's principles and doctrines. Living an "evil" life as defined by Christianity, but all the while having faith and belief in God? I guess you are in the clear because you believe?

Sounds like a paradox to me.

[DMC]

He faked glossolalia (they all do). He has to have someone translate, and he has to have someone who understands.

People so misunderstand basic things.

[DMC]

Again, not a paradox. God rewards faith. What happens to a good person who chooses not to believe in the one en y that is supposed to save them? Well, they chose to ignore that en y and suffer the consequences. God is a jealous god. Read the First Commandment. The Adam and Eve story was one of free will. It's all in Genesis.

God ed Job over by betting with Satan that Satan could Job up and God wouldn't do about it, and Job would continue to be a loyal servant. That's not a reward. There are people who cut kids into bite sized pieces and let the parents know about it in court. These same guys pray on Death Row and they are now bound for Heaven.

Faith is not rewarded unless you are cherry picking the good results and ignoring the bad ones.

Or read John 3:16, only one of the most famous bible verses. You have to believe to be saved. Hey, I know this. I choose not to believe, and I'm a damn good person. And if judgment day comes and I get cast into , then so be it. It was my choice.

But then again, I don't believe in being good to get rewarded (don't even believe in an after life really), I believe in being good for the sake of being good. I also believe that if God does exists, and his spirit is one of being a benevolent god, then he'd reward those who were good. But again, that's not what we're discussing and an issue for a separate discussion altogether (I believe in the chance of God existing, but I also believe that the scriptures were not his word or the word of Jesus. I believe in the spirit of the teachings, be a good person to yourself and others, is what would earn you salvation if God existed, and not the literal translation of the bible).

Again, the paradox is not that God lets you choose what kind of person you want to be and what type of life you lead, but rather, some people believe in predetermination, that God already decides what your life is and where you're going no matter what you do. God has a plan. that.

If God was omni-benevolent and determined that I was destined to have a ed up life, then that is ed up and a paradox.

God cannot help but know. He knows all. It's a paradox to say God is all knowing but didn't know you were going to do what you did and decide what you decided.

[DMC]

The paradox is, what happens to the good person who lives a life that conforms or emulates the tenets/doctrines of Christianity, but is not a Christian and does not believe in God?

What happens to the person who is good because they believe it is right to be so and not from fear of punishment, or promise of reward in the afterlife?

You will burn in . There is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. That's what they say.

[DMC]

By the way, I don't think it's funny that homes got destroyed. I think it's funny that you're belief in God and Jesus saved you. I'm of the opinion that God, if he exists, doesn't mingle in our day to day lives, but rather is a grand scheme of things type of God. What we do from day to day is random chance mixed with the consequences of our decisions, no outside interference needed.

So God could simply not exist and things would be the same?

Why suppose a god?

[DMC]

It's called free will. We're allowed to think what we want to think and do what we want to do (ie believe in God and Jesus or not).

If you're going to call out God, then at least know thIe basic tenants of the belief in the Almighty.

And no, I'm not a believer in God or Jesus, but come on, know your .

We are not. If it were free will, there would be no dire consequences for the choice to not believe.

Belief isn't a choice. You can no sooner choose to believe in a god than you can choose to believe the Sun doesn't exist. Try doing that, let me know when you are convinced the Sun doesn't exist. I mean, you are free to choose, right?

[Fpoonsie]

Thank you, biased god.

[symple19]

Thank you, biased god.

[Blake]

If God was omni-benevolent and determined that I was destined to have a ed up life, then that is ed up and a paradox.

you are starting to get it.

[RandomGuy]

They didn't choose to place their faith in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

It's all just stupid . If God does exist, I don't think that he has anything to do with our day to day lives. Being an omniscient, omnipresent being and actually doing something about it are two different things.

But really, this is just mother nature doing her thing and letting us all know that only "she" decides who get spared and who gets slapped, and there's no real rhyme or reason as to why "she" decides what she decides especially when it comes to tornadoes.

Science can answer many things, but when it comes to weather, it's almost a crap shoot as to what we know what's going to happen at times.

So a universe with God is indistinguishable from a universe without God?

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mus seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Seems pretty unequivocal to me.

If you pray and believe then God will answer that prayer. It doesn't leave much wiggle room.

What then happens when you pray and don't get what you ask for?

"God just didn't feel like it." "It's not part of God's plan."

Another paradox, or probably better stated, a broken promise.