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    Just because something "might" be right doesn't mean we should give it the benefit of the doubt.
    I agree. But to claim, as fact, that he is making it up...
    For instance, if I claimed I could make spaghetti blindfolded, using only my feet, you'd probably want some sort of proof before you'd give me the benefit of the doubt.
    Well...

    I wouldn't eat it.

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    Another one of your slanderous sources... Give me a break.
    What specifically do you think is wrong in the article?

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    What specifically do you think is wrong in the article?
    Stop being an intellectual asshole. I am not saying the article itself is false. That organization does have a history of putting out wrong information. My point is he is using it as a "factual" source to discredit Beck.

    His information is every bit as partisan, and is not proof.

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    I agree. But to claim, as fact, that he is making it up...
    It's shorthand. It would be quite stupid if we had to preface every opinion we had as, "I'm not sure this is fact, but"... when we didn't believe something.

    Well...

    I wouldn't eat it.
    I would wash them beforehand, of course.

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    Stop being an intellectual asshole. I am not saying the article itself is false. That organization does have a history of putting out wrong information. My point is he is using it as a "factual" source to discredit Beck.

    His information is every bit as partisan, and is not proof.
    Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

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    Or in other words:

    Why does Glenn Beck, self professed rodeo clown, with history of putting out wrong information get benefit of doubt, but The Nation "the oldest continuously published weekly magazine in the United States" (via Wiki) doesn't?

    Who's stupid troll here?

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    Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

    I wish I could read the language. I have looked and found several articles, but can't read them.
    Really? That's what you are going with?

    "It could be like a Hitler Youth Camp for all we know".

    "Its possible that a country of socialists would suddenly rise up and send their kids to fascist youth camps"

    ??? Really?

    Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.

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    Really? That's what you are going with?

    "It could be like a Hitler Youth Camp for all we know".

    "Its possible that a country of socialists would suddenly rise up and send their kids to fascist youth camps"

    ??? Really?

    Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.
    RG, sprichst du auch Deutsch?? Ich hatte keine Idee.

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    RG, sprichst du auch Deutsch?? Ich hatte keine Idee.
    Ich hab' mein Diplom auf Germanistik von UT bekommen. Lieder ist meine Deutsch ausgeroestet, aber uebe ich, wenn ich kann.

    Not many accountants have undergrad degrees in German, but I went that route thinking I would go on to law school, originally. Still might go that route eventually.

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    Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.
    Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

    Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking

    Utøya

    Here's an article also:

    Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord

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    Isn't "Hitler" the same in Norwegian?

    You'd think the kids would at least dress up like Hilter Youth.

    Beck/WC response: "They're very clever."

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    Ich hab' mein Diplom auf Germanistik von UT bekommen. Lieder ist meine Deutsch ausgeroestet, aber uebe ich, wenn ich kann.

    Not many accountants have undergrad degrees in German, but I went that route thinking I would go on to law school, originally. Still might go that route eventually.
    Ja, ich war Austauschueler im Schuljahr 96-97. Wie du, ich habe mein Deutsch verlernt in dem letzten 15 Jahren. Ich uebe auch wenn ich kann.

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    Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

    Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking

    Utøya

    Here's an article also:

    Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord
    The first link appears to be the party's main site.

    http://auf.no/-/page/show/utoya?sandbox_id=1063610

    It still lists the itinerary of the youth get together. I understand a lot more than I thought I might.

    Talks on international politics, soccer games, etc.

    Politisk verksted
    Gjennom hele uken kommer forskjellige personer med masse erfaring innen politikk for å snakke om ulike temaer. Så er du interessert i inkluderingsspørsmål, likestilling, miljø, skolepolitikk eller internasjonale saker – eller bare interessert i å lære hvordan man blir en god taler og debattant, så er Utøya det rette stedet for deg.
    Inclusive(ness?), equality, environment (had to look that up), education politics, for those interested this should be a good time.

    Roughly, my best guess, but that is close.

    Hardly "Norway ueber alles".

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    Labour Party's youth organization AUF received a record number of members in 2009. The organization will use his strength to try to prevent the parent party is in favor of oil drilling in Lofoten and Vesterålen.
    AUF now has the highest membership in the modern era. I do not think it's coincidental that it happens while the oil in the north is the most important environmental issue. The resistance is high among young people, and this should be a wakeup call for those who want oil drilling in Lofoten, said AUF leader Martin Henriksen.

    He makes it clear that the AUF will make 2010 a kampår the oil in the north.

    - We will not accept oil drilling, and together with the Nature and Youth and others make it impossible to open or impact study this area without any trouble, says AUF leader.

    AUF was in 2009 9.540 members. Over the last two years there were around 1,500 new members, and membership has increased every year for the past six years.

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    The middle link only seems to have a pic of the island, and the first link is blocked at work

    Yes it is all familiar looking and yes I cheated.

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    Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

    Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking

    Utøya

    Here's an article also:

    Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord
    Norwegian - detected to English translation

    AUF now has the highest membership in the modern era. I do not think it's coincidental that it happens while the oil in the north is the most important environmental issue. The resistance is high among young people, and this should be a wakeup call for those who want oil drilling in Lofoten, said AUF leader Martin Henriksen.

    He makes it clear that the AUF will make 2010 a kampår the oil in the north.

    - We will not accept oil drilling, and together with the Nature and Youth and others make it impossible to open or impact study this area without any trouble, says AUF leader.

    AUF was in 2009 9.540 members. Over the last two years there were around 1,500 new members, and membership has increased every year for the past six years.


    Google translate got the second link fairly well.

    Center left environmentalism.

    Again, hardly a "Hitler Youth".

    The biggest hole in that "it could be a Hitler Youth" is that the party does not have a cult of charisma based around a singular leader, from what I have read here and elsewhere. Kind of hard to have a Hitler Youth without the Hitler.

    Sorry. Beck was, as we all know he was, talking out his ass.

    You may have taken the Devil's Advocate role here, but sorry counselor, your case is weak.

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    The first link appears to be the party's main site.

    http://auf.no/-/page/show/utoya?sandbox_id=1063610

    It still lists the itinerary of the youth get together. I understand a lot more than I thought I might.

    Talks on international politics, soccer games, etc.



    Inclusive(ness?), equality, environment (had to look that up), education politics, for those interested this should be a good time.

    Roughly, my best guess, but that is close.

    Hardly "Norway ueber alles".
    Norwegian - detected to English translation

    political yard
    Throughout the week is different people with lots of experience in politics to talk about various topics. So are you interested in inclusion issues, gender equality, environment, education policy or international affairs - or just interested in learning how to become a good speaker and debater, then Utøya the right place for you.
    Go Google translate. Thing seems to be pretty good.

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    Norwegian - detected to English translation



    Go Google translate. Thing seems to be pretty good.
    GOOD SPEAKER!!! My GOD! HITLER was a good speaker!!!!!! HE WAS ALSO A MASTER DEBATER, HE WON EVERY TIME. HIS RETORT was always BANG!!!! You're dead!!!!!!

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    Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.

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    Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.

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    Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.

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    Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.


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    It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is ing dead and has been for years.

    It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years.

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    It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is ing dead and has been for years.

    It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years.
    Hmmm. I guess there's no more Marxists because Karl Marx is dead. <shrugs>

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    It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is ing dead and has been for years.

    It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years.
    Yeah, I am sorry, this isnt very good.

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    And he names himself over some stupid dead genocidal prick

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