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    Yes. FMLA mandates that she has a job when she returns. How is that not an en lement?
    quotas!

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    When people talk about "en lement programs" in the US, they are talking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits.
    Not really.

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    I'd think you meant to say:

    "When I and people who think like I do talk about 'en lement programs' in the US, they are taking about SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, not discretionary employee benefits."

    And, since we're here, maternity leave isn't a discretionary benefit -- still.

    You can always google "US En lement Programs" and see what you get.

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    You guys aren't being serious.

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    Good to hear you won't be ing about foodstamps though.

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    You guys aren't being serious.

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    Maybe now that you're done making an idiot of yourself in this thread you can go back to the climate thread and continue making an idiot of yourself there.

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    I get that Darrin makes a fun and easy target, but he's right that when a political conversation is being held about en lements, that conversation is about SS, medicare and medicaid.

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    I get that Darrin makes a fun and easy target, but he's right that when a political conversation is being held about en lements, that conversation is about SS, medicare and medicaid.
    Not here. How many discussions we had about Affirmative Action, foodstamps, etc?

    Just do a search on the board for "en lement mentality". You'll be surprised.

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    In all fairness, as a star on Fox Megyn Kelly would have gotten maternity leave with or without the FMLA.

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    Is it an en lement if it just grants you something you already have?

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    Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?

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    Not here. How many discussions we had about Affirmative Action, foodstamps, etc?

    Just do a search on the board for "en lement mentality". You'll be surprised.
    I did, and most of what I see are posts from 2008 about religion.

    Sure, you can make a bunch of different things fit into the en lement definition, but when a politician or pundit stands up to talk about en elements, they're talking about those three specific programs. To pretend otherwise is just being obtuse.

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    Does the government lose anything on account of medical leaves?

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    Do tax payers have their pay taxed in order to make these medical leaves possible?

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    Are apples oranges?

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    Is it an en lement if it just grants you something you already have?
    If you need a law to say that your job will be protected while you take leave, I think it's fair to say that the law en les you to leave. Before that law, you had the option to take leave but only by gambling that a job would remain available to you upon your return.

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    Do govt employees get paid on maternity leave?....

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?

    The Federal Government offers numerous leave flexibilities to assist employees in meeting their work and family obligations, including paid time off for childbirth and adoption and care of the newborn or adopted child. Federal employee leave benefits are based on employee service credit and time in a pay status. A new employee begins Government service accruing 13 days of annual leave each year. After 3 years of service, the annual leave accrual rate increases to 20 days each year, and at 15 years of service, the employee accrues 26 days of annual leave each leave year. The amount of annual leave that may be carried over from one leave year to the next is capped at 240 hours (30 days) for most employees. At any time in the leave year, an agency may advance to an employee the amount of annual leave he or she would accrue during the remainder of the leave year.

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    Sure, you can make a bunch of different things fit into the en lement definition, but when a politician or pundit stands up to talk about en elements, they're talking about those three specific programs. To pretend otherwise is just being obtuse.
    The things that Kelly was railing about before her leave weren't confined to those programs. In the "before" clips, Kelly specifically railed about the idea that FMLA gives men the right to take leave after the birth of their child without any mention of pay; in the "after" clip, Kelly scolds her guest about the availability of leave for men under the FMLA (even going so far as to note its availability for 12 weeks) and suggests that the post-childbirth allowance for leave in this country is insufficient because it doesn't require that such leave be paid leave.

    I don't think the point of this is about politicians in general, nor could Stewart's clip establish that point. But Stewart shows the changed view of Megyn Kelly and her fierce support of the en lement to leave after childbirth and leaves it to viewers to conclude that she might be a hypocrite who enjoys the fruits of an en lement policy that she has so vigorously challenged in the past.

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    The things that Kelly was railing about before her leave weren't confined to those programs. In the "before" clips, Kelly specifically railed about the idea that FMLA gives men the right to take leave after the birth of their child without any mention of pay; in the "after" clip, Kelly scolds her guest about the availability of leave for men under the FMLA (even going so far as to note its availability for 12 weeks) and suggests that the post-childbirth allowance for leave in this country is insufficient because it doesn't require that such leave be paid leave.

    I don't think the point of this is about politicians in general, nor could Stewart's clip establish that point. But Stewart shows the changed view of Megyn Kelly and her fierce support of the en lement to leave after childbirth and leaves it to viewers to conclude that she might be a hypocrite who enjoys the fruits of an en lement policy that she has so vigorously challenged in the past.
    I'm not saying Kelly isn't a hypocrite. I'm just agreeing with Darrin that when someone says "en lement program" they're not talking about FMLA.

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    Same as before. Not all people talking about 'en lements' restrict them to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.

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    Same as before. Not all people talking about 'en lements' restrict them to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.
    "en lement mentality" =/= "en lement program"

    But, since we can rest assured that WC will eventually stumble upon this thread to discuss all the keener points of the context of the video in the OP, we can let him weigh in on what programs he thinks are being referred to when someone talks about en lement programs.

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    "en lement mentality" =/= "en lement program"
    But Darrin's comment wasn't about programs:

    It's not an en lement.
    So we're discussing this as an en lement vs non-en lement.

    Not sure where 'programs' came into play.

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