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And seeing as how Dirk averages more points and rebounds in the playoffs, I think I'll take him over Kobe for their careers.
He's a Lakerfan bro, aka a Kobe fan, meaning he has to use that as a measurement of greatness even though he knows in his heart of hearts that it was Daddy-O driving with Kobe along for the ride
And seeing as how Dirk averages more points and rebounds in the playoffs, I think I'll take him over Kobe for their careers.
And I think repeating is overrated, and the schtick that's being ran here is as used up as a loose vagina. Once you lead a team into a ring, you have all the right to be included in player comparison discussions.
I have to strongly disagree with you on Kobe bouncing back from last year. Its not going to happen because once you get above 30 and start getting severe knee injuries it doesn't ever recover 100 percent. The biggest problem with Duncan is having knee problems. I remember hearing about the spurs medical staff telling him that it didn't matter how many surgeries he got on the knees or whatever treatments he applied that his knees were shot for good and the pain would be chronic. Jordan had knee problems in his late 30's with the Wizards and despite getting it drained a bunch times it still didn't work out. I once read an article about year ago in which a doctor do ented that the majority of NBA players above 30 have terrible knees due to all the mileage put on their knees. Kobe is pretty much finished his best days are behind him but he still be a good player just not an elite player.
Venti, settin up shop in the paint, bullyin s par per etc
looks like we let a good one get away mono
Let's see how that experimental treatment in Germany holds up. I know it's a ton of BS, but based from what I have seen from him this offseason, from his camps to his all-star game in the Philippines, I think his knee is back.
He really wouldn't be able to catch an off-the-glass alley-oop from Fisher and then reverse dunk it if his knee didn't get better.
Meh, it's Kobe. I'm sure he'll put up another 25/5/5 next year
I don't think it'll be one of his best seasons ever or some , but I think the extra long off season will give his knees the rest they need so he can have one more really good season before he's done.
As "done" as everyone is proclaiming Kobe is, his season averages last year almost lined up exactly with his career averages. The big difference is how hard he had to work every night because of how bad Gasol was after looking like an MVP in November. I've never seen an NBA player get so worn down just because he had to play extra minutes at center instead of power forward for a month while the starting center was getting healthy.
I think it's naive and stupid to think Kobe is done, he'll be fine. Their two biggest question marks are Gasol and Artest. Does Artest just not give a now that he's won a championship or will he return to 2010 form, and Pau either needs to return to 2010 form or Bynum needs to replace him as LA's 2nd option.
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That's so true. Once Kobe has lead a team into a ring, I'll remember to include him in player comparison discussions
You have aThat's so true. Once Kobe has lead a team into a ring, I'll remember to include him in player comparison discussions
Here's the thing that I do not get with Kobe critics. When the Lakers are steamrolling and winning les, it's always about Shaq or Pau being the supposed leaders that they have to be. When the Lakers are losing, Kobe's always the bad leader; the glorified and ringed version of (insert name of washed up or retired shooting guard here).
Tbh I'm glad TLC members are finally realizing that the RK might have lost several key future HOF veterans to retirement/TLC, but we've found younger, less proven talent that's hungrier. A true leader knows when it's best to limit his role and let the nigs just entering their prime take over.Venti, settin up shop in the paint, bullyin s par per etc
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Conversly for Lakers fans, when the team is doing well, it's all Kobe. If not, Pau gets all the brunt. I am sometimes guilty of this.
Tbh why don't you cut deadweight losses and integrate with the RK?Venti, settin up shop in the paint, bullyin s par per etc
looks like we let a good one get away mono
Tbh I heard from sources and have PM's stating that someone is trying to infiltrate RK and destroy itfrom the inside
There's a reason for this, IMO. When Shaq stopped giving a , they stopped winning. When Gasol stopped giving a , they stop winning. Even while winning, Kome was arguably a chucker with a teammate shooting much better percentages.
So, you know, props to the Lakeshow for winning in spite of the chucker, pretty much.
Last two Finals MVPs.Why isn't the question TD or Kobe?
Depends what the team needs. Kobe brings a more dynamic offensive game to the table and Dirk gives you a more efficient game. Kobe is better at drawing defenders, but the Mixture of size and shooting makes Dirk harder to defend. Building a team is like putting together a puzzle and both players fill in a different gap.
I wouldn't touch Kobe's contract though.
Right now, Dirk.
One might be able to argue that Kobe is still more talented. But Dirk just proved he can carry a team to a le with a much lesser supporting cast than Kobe ever did. I think both players require the right supporting cast, but Kobe requires not just a good big man, but an all star caliber big man. Dirk had a solid defensive center, a past his prime HOF PG, a turtlehead SG who could shoot in the clutch, a five foot chihuahua, and a bunch of retreads or scrubs. None really an elite player with the possible exception of Chandler defensively.
They're both the same age and Kobe is dealing with more health issues. Dirk, for his lack of championship success until last season, has been consistently good at keeping his team elite regardless of the teammates around him. Since it's not a matter of who had the better career or who is more accomplished but rather who would you want now, it has to be Dirk.
I think its wishful thinking by lakerfans or anybody to believe that Kobe's knees won't be any issue next year. I don't think the extra rest is really going to make much of a difference the bottom line is his knees are shot. Its kind of like how spurfans used to hope that with extra rest and time off that Duncan would be back to his normal self well atleast close to it. We have all seen it the last few years how rest didn't make a difference for Duncan's knees. I saw it with Jordan during his wizard days that rest and rehab had zero effect on improving his knee problems. Kobe's knees in value is equivalent to a 10 year old car just like that car they can still operate but not at the great level it once did hence it has depreciated. Don't get me wrong here I still believe Kobe will be an all star player but not a superstar anymore.
As for LA's 2 other questions marks I do believe Artest is clearly done. I'm going out on limb by saying Artest will be a cancer this year with Phil gone. Artest during the playoffs was bad real bad it looks like his lateral quickness is all but gone. He is no longer an asset. Gasol I think will still be an allstar player but as proven last year it seems like he can easily get burned out. I think under coach Brown's system there is a high chance for burn out because Brown demands defense which takes energy out of you. Bynum on the other hand is definitely a mystery its hard to say if he can be consistent for a full year without getting injured. I think even if Bynum does play well the lakers are still not contenders due to having zero depth. On top of that all the lakers core players are above 30 except for Bynum.
why don't people ever cliff note like this?
The bottom line is that his knees are shot and its wishful thinking to think otherwise despite the extra rest. Spurs fans thought the same thing with Duncan and now we see that it's not the case. The same thing can be said with Jordan in his Wizard days. Kobe's knees are like a 10 year old car that has a lot of mileage on it. I think Kobe can be a good player just not a superstar.
As for LA's 2 other questions marks I believe Artest is done and will be a cancer with Jackson gone. In the playoffs it looked like he didn't have any of his lateral quickness and is no longer an asset. Gasol will still be an all star but can easily be burnt out as proven by last year. It doesn't help that Coach Brown has a high energy system either. Bynum can be consistent if he stays healthy, but he's still a mystery. Regardless, the Lakers are still not contenders and most of their players are old
There, I said basically the same thing daslicer said with about half the words. Paraphrasing is your friend
Kobe is the better basketball player, but Dirk's ability to create such massive mismatches all over the court bring something to the table that only Magic Johnson has been able to come close to. Being that basketball is such a game of matchups, great arguments can be made in Dirk's favor.
RIGHT NOW, I'd say its 50-50.
But for people writing Kobe off already... you are idiots. I fully expect Kobe to have a very nice year.
really good question ...... I'd probably hafta go with Dirk. Probably has less mileage on his body than Bean .......
Kobe is essentially a jump-shooter at this point, he has been for a few years now..his athleticism was virtually non-existent last season..Dirk and Kobe are both average defenders, decent rebounders for their positions, Kobe is a better passer for his position, but he probably doesn't utilize that skill enough to make it an advantage over Nowitzki..
Considering that they are both strictly jump shooters that rely on their shot before anything else(meaning, they are both capable of occasionally taking it inside, but choose not to, for a variety of reasons), taking Nowitzki is a no-brainer, since he is unarguably a much more efficient jump-shooter..
Another strength of Bryant's is his performance in clutch time, but that skill is negated in an argument vs. Nowitzki, arguably the most clutch shooter the NBA has seen since Michael..
I don't really see any reason to take Kobe, at this point of his career, especially taking into consideration the fact that Nowitzki is coming off a season where he led arguably the most unexpected le run in NBA history..
Harlem, acting like somebody.
You're absolutely adorable.
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