R.I.P. Tupac

[Giuseppe]

By Friday, September 13, any hope that Tupac might regain consciousness had faded. His heart stopped several times that day, and each time doctors worked feverishly to resuscitate him. Afeni finally made the sober decision not to try again. Tupac was pronounced dead at 4:03PM. The cause of death was attributed to respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest.

An autopsy was performed a few hours later, and by 9 PM, Tupac's body was at a local mortuary, where it was promptly cremated. On Saturday, September 14, Tupac's remains were given to his mother.

[Giuseppe]

I handed typed this from the book "The Last Days of Dead Celebrities"

[silverblk mystix]

I have a question....

Tupac lived a thug life...and was by all accounts...a criminal...

He also had a lot of things to say and connected with young people and the disenfranchised in a powerful way. Even though some of his writings were scattered and confused...some brilliant things and some not so coherent things...he was still a talented human being.

My question is;

Does his work/music/writings absolve him of being a criminal? Is it ok to be a person who hurts people and victimizes others--if on the other hand you inspire and touch others hearts and minds? (In a positive way)

[Giuseppe]

Of course not, Silv. What you describe is the American Dream. The new revamped American Dream.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Is it ok to be a person who hurts people and victimizes others--if on the other hand you inspire and touch others hearts and minds? (In a positive way)

That's an interesting question. It's important to realize that heroes are not infallible, and we all have skeletons in our closet. Take one of my heroes, O.J. Simpson. He brutally murdered 2 people, nearly decapitating his wife in the process...but he also ran for over 2,000 yards in a 14-game season. Game recognize game.

[mavs>spurs]

He went around acting like an asshole. Ended up dead in the ground because of it.

He was a loser. And he ended up in the loser's circle.

It happens.

i ain't a 2pac fan either, most easterners aren't actually but dude was a cool and hence deserved our respect imho. dude was assaulted by a driving-by white cadillac, fatally wounded and later died in hospital, most people believed biggy was behind the murder and he was killed too a couple years later, by some fatantical 2pac supporters most likely.

[benefactor]

[benefactor]

It was never really about his skills as a rapper, it was about his vision, Jekyll & Hyde personality, and incredible charisma.

There's also a difference between skilled lyricists and rappers with a great voice/delivery. Rappers like Pac and Pimp C fall in the latter. There's only a chosen few who really have both.

[stretch]

There's also a difference between skilled lyricists and rappers with a great voice/delivery. Rappers like Pac and Pimp C fall in the latter. There's only a chosen few who really have both.

Pimp C had a great delivery. He rode the beat as well as any rapper I've ever heard. The only other rapper I've heard that raps with the beat as entertaining as he did is Ludacris. Unfortunately, neither of them are/were much of lyricists.

[baseline bum]

i ain't a 2pac fan either, most easterners aren't actually but dude was a cool and hence deserved our respect imho. dude was assaulted by a driving-by white cadillac, fatally wounded and later died in hospital, most people believed biggy was behind the murder and he was killed too a couple years later, by some fatantical 2pac supporters most likely.

Pac was killed by some Crips who worked security for Biggie. Biggie was killed by LAPD Bloods down with Suge.

[JoeChalupa]

I saw his face on quite a few magazine covers while checking out at HEB.

[Spursfan092120]

Pac was killed by some Crips who worked security for Biggie. Biggie was killed by LAPD Bloods down with Suge.

tbh I think Suge set up Tupac's murder...saw a long do entary on it. The docs that came out stating it was the Crips were found to be fraudulent a few years ago.

[PakiDan]

Who is this Tupac fella?

[silverblk mystix]

Pimp C had a great delivery. He rode the beat as well as any rapper I've ever heard. The only other rapper I've heard that raps with the beat as entertaining as he did is Ludacris. Unfortunately, neither of them are/were much of lyricists.

Disagree....although Tupac was young...he had that influence from his folks who were black panther influenced and it would have been interesting to see what he would have written with some maturity and some life perspective...

Gotta be honest though...I would have overlooked him if not for my son who is a huge fan and instead of dismissing Tupac--because of my son...I checked him out and the cat was pretty heavy..even for a geezer like me..