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    Sorry to hear that 101.

    PNT is not the same as the more well-known pancreatic cancer that killed guys like patrick swayze, etc.

    The radiotherapy that Jobs underwent is being offered in Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, India, etc. The FDA actually conducted the first clinical trial here in the US last year, IIRC. It might still be some ways until it's available in the US.

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    "It might still be some ways until it's available in the US."

    often MANY years, (esp if it's going to disrupt somebody's profit stream).

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    I thought socialist health care systems were supposed to equalize the playing field? Why are all these wealthy Americans able to waltz into Europe's single-payer system and get preferential treatment while European citizens continue to complain about the waits and the denials of service?

    And, hey! Aren't we being told Obamacare will result in an equalization of care?

    Yeah.

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    They have to wait until Martha Stewart buys a load of the stock before they can approve it.

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    I thought socialist health care systems were supposed to equalize the playing field? Why are all these wealthy Americans able to waltz into Europe's single-payer system and get preferential treatment while European citizens continue to complain about the waits and the denials of service?
    Who said they get preferential treatment? Who is complaining about waits and denials?

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    I thought socialist health care systems were supposed to equalize the playing field? Why are all these wealthy Americans able to waltz into Europe's single-payer system and get preferential treatment while European citizens continue to complain about the waits and the denials of service?
    Waits and denial of service generally apply those procedures which have high patient throughput (radiologic imaging, general medicine/surgery, etc.) SHRT is not one of those modalities. Should any European citizen require targeted radiotherapy, it's readily available.

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    "Why are all these wealthy Americans able to waltz into Europe's single-payer system and get preferential treatment while European citizens continue to complain about the waits and the denials of service"

    It ain't free, who said they were getting treated by the national health system/doctors?

    There are plenty of private clinics and doctors in all countries that have national health systems. And rich Euros get treated there, so I'm sure rich Americans will, too.

    I expect getting treated by private docs/clinics in Europe is still cheaper than USA. US docs make 2x what docs make in other countries, the drugs and devices and supplies are bought "single buyer" and delivered much cheaper than in US, where the Human-American suckers basically subsidize cheap US drugs in other countries. It was the dubya Repugs who made rule forbidding VA/medicare/medicaid operating as single buyer, guaranteeing Human-Americans will continue to be fleeced for medical care.

    You're an ignorant nativist/chauvinist, PussyEater

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    It amazes me that those who oppose universal health care don't know that there are still private doctors. Doctors get their free education and in return have to work a certain amount of time under the universal system then work in private practice. Absolutely no different than the way our military works.

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    I was under the impression that stem-cell is a proven treatment that's saving lives, with still plenty of room to grow.

    Examples:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Health/...ry?id=11308383

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8576493.stm

    The US should be leading the pack here, but alas, it seems that you have to head to Europe for that kind of treatment.
    Wow...

    You want it both ways.

    When we fast track procedures, and people sue... who's side are you on? Now you blame them for not fast tracking something?

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    lol B actually has a morsel of good insight here. There's definitely a conflict of interest where the FDA is concerned.
    That's what happens when we make agencies to protect us. We loose our freedom to choose for ourselves.

    I have no problem with them protecting us from others, but when we want to participate in such things, they remove our choice, unless we cross borders.

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    "That's what happens when we make agencies to protect us"

    That's what happens when agencies that have the power and charter to protect us from Corporate-Americans get captured/financed by C-As.

    And nobody has the power to stand up to C-As and purge their corruption from all levels of govt, and one of the most corrupt/captured is your sacred military.

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    Waits and denial of service generally apply those procedures which have high patient throughput (radiologic imaging, general medicine/surgery, etc.) SHRT is not one of those modalities. Should any European citizen require targeted radiotherapy, it's readily available.
    Socialism!

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    Wow...

    You want it both ways.

    When we fast track procedures, and people sue... who's side are you on? Now you blame them for not fast tracking something?
    Why are people not suing in Europe over these procedures?

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    Why are people not suing in Europe over these procedures?
    Because they don't have the same legal system we do.

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    Because they don't have the same legal system we do.
    They don't?

    What legal system do they have?

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