Who is the better rapist: Mike Tyson or Kobe Bryant?

[dbreiden83080]

That night he got his ass kicked in Japan he fought good talent. Buster was always a good fighter, but he was lazy, and needed an excuse to get off his ass. His mothers death gave him that reason.

Agreed. Douglas was talented and Tyson was fat, unfocused and lazy as going into that fight..

After Tyson got out of prison he was good enough to destroy all of the bums he destroyed prior to going to prison. Those ass whoopings he got were coming regardless.

Tyson didn't give a about boxing after he got out of prison, he barely cared anymore after the Douglas loss. He has said many times he was just going through the motions for years and years.. His window of greatness was very very small..

[Ashy Larry]

Agreed. Douglas was talented and Tyson was fat, unfocused and lazy as going into that fight..




Tyson didn't give a about boxing after he got out of prison, he barely cared anymore after the Douglas loss. He has said many times he was just going through the motions for years and years.. His window of greatness was very very small..

A friend who was stationed overseas saw Mike constantly messin' around with the Asian chicks ...... he knew going into that fight that it was an easy payday and just a tune-up for Holyfield.

[Ashy Larry]

Tyson had some of the greatest talent in boxing history but really only for a few years was he deadly focused on just training and fighting. His mentor Cus Damato predicted he would be the youngest champ ever and when he died Tyson was insanely motivated to make that come true. But once the money and the fame got into his head and es like Robin Givens and snakes like Don King got their hooks into him Tyson was off track. Boxing became something he did because he was still young and was making lots of money but the passion to be great was gone.. Tyson in 1988 had the punching power and ferocity to KO any HW ever i bvelieve.. He could have been the greatest of all time IMO but he allowed too much bull- to get in the way...

definitely. I think we were cheated because there were plenty of great heavyweight matchups involving Mike that we didn't get to see. Prime Tyson vs Prime Holyfield. Prime Tyson vs Prime Bowe. Rid would have been in shape for that fight. Prime Tyson vs. Prime Lennox Lewis.

Don King was a great promoter but you do not want to share the same lawyer and accountant as this dude. Kevin Rooney knew it was over after the Spinks fight.

[Koolaid_Man]

Mike lost to Buster only because he didn't train for the fight. In fact he did the opposite he was blowing trees. It was fight he was supposed to win. Busta was a scrub and it was his lucky night.

Mike fought whoever was out in front of him. He was always at the reach disadvantage at 5'8..and still kicked they ass. s I know don't respect Lennox Lewis for beating Mike. Why?

Because when they both were teens Lennox ran from Mike for 5 yrs from 1985 - 1989 until he turned pro. This is when Mike was a beast...Lennox didn't want none.

[Koolaid_Man]

Clarification.....Lennox refused to turn pro when Mike was on his tear.....he waited until 89 when Mike turned Pro in 85....behind Ali Mike was the 2nd greatest all time...Ali's foot work and hand speed would have been too much for Mike.

[Ashy Larry]

Clarification.....Lennox refused to turn pro when Mike was on his tear.....he waited until 89 when Mike turned Pro in 85....behind Ali Mike was the 2nd greatest all time...Ali's foot work and hand speed would have been too much for Mike.

at heavyweight or all time because if you're talking ALL-TIME, he would crack the top 15 or top 20.

And at heavyweight, he probably would barely crack the top 10......

[Killakobe81]

at heavyweight or all time because if you're talking ALL-TIME, he would crack the top 15 or top 20.

And at heavyweight, he probably would barely crack the top 10......

In his prime Out of guys I have seen maybe ALI was greater as a heavyweight. But if you ask who had better careers ... Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis all could make cases for having better careers than Mike. But Tyson at his best eats all of these guys up. Except Ali ...but I bet he dont try that rope-a-dope on mike. He would of needed to beat him like he did Liston.

[Xevious]

Tyson was done the moment he got rid of his trainer Kevin Rooney. His fate was sealed when he foolishly went to Japan and fought Buster. I will never forget that circus.

This. Tyson essentially stopped training and just relied on talent to win fights. Had he one shred of brains or work ethic, he could easily be considered one of the all-time greats.

[Ashy Larry]

even Mike at his best had problems with bigger heavyweights who had a nice stiff left jab. Mike in his prime would have had major troubles with a focus and in shape Rid Bowe. Bigger, stronger and possessed probably the best jab outside of Larry Holmes. If Mike didn't get Rid out in the first three or four rounds, it would have been downhill from 6 on. Lennox Lewis is another one. Buster showed many people how important that left jab was and if you look at who Mike has fought, none of them really possessed that one trait.

And those guys previously mention did have better careers than Mike, including Marciano, Lewis, Jack Johnson and even today with Dr. Steelhammer. That's probably why he barely cracks my top ten.

I just couldn't see Mike getting through that Klitschko jab and by time he did, it would have been Round 10 and his face would probably look like hamburger .......

[Ashy Larry]

This. Tyson essentially stopped training and just relied on talent to win fights. Had he one shred of brains or work ethic, he could easily be considered one of the all-time greats.

totally agree. King and Givens killed that dude.

[Killakobe81]

even Mike at his best had problems with bigger heavyweights who had a nice stiff left jab. Mike in his prime would have had major troubles with a focus and in shape Rid Bowe. Bigger, stronger and possessed probably the best jab outside of Larry Holmes. If Mike didn't get Rid out in the first three or four rounds, it would have been downhill from 6 on. Lennox Lewis is another one. Buster showed many people how important that left jab was and if you look at who Mike has fought, none of them really possessed that one trait.

And those guys previously mention did have better careers than Mike, including Marciano, Lewis, Jack Johnson and even today with Dr. Steelhammer. That's probably why he barely cracks my top ten.

I just couldn't see Mike getting through that Klitschko jab and by time he did, it would have been Round 10 and his face would probably look like hamburger .......

agreed Ashy, I almost included Klitsch ... BUT, I also seen him lose to much lessor fighters than Mike. IF he fought smart yes he beats Mike most of the years but early, heavy head movement Mike, I think might of chopped him down.

[JayTheClown]

The youngest heavyweight champion ever vs the most overrated player in his sport's history. Who will win?

Seriously, Josh the best thread I have seen on this board in the a long time

[Ashy Larry]

agreed Ashy, I almost included Klitsch ... BUT, I also seen him lose to much lessor fighters than Mike. IF he fought smart yes he beats Mike most of the years but early, heavy head movement Mike, I think might of chopped him down.

I really dont think so ..... Wlad's losses have all come to guys who were 6'3" or taller. Mike standing at 5'11" if that would have to take a straight up pounding even with that head movement to get into Wlad. Maybe early years klistchko Mike gets but this dude right now, the only person who can possibly beat him now is a person he won't fight. Dr. Iron Fist.

[JamStone]

Tyson. White girls are easy to manhandle and don't fight back.

[Koolaid_Man]

even Mike at his best had problems with bigger heavyweights who had a nice stiff left jab. Mike in his prime would have had major troubles with a focus and in shape Rid Bowe. Bigger, stronger and possessed probably the best jab outside of Larry Holmes. If Mike didn't get Rid out in the first three or four rounds, it would have been downhill from 6 on. Lennox Lewis is another one. Buster showed many people how important that left jab was and if you look at who Mike has fought, none of them really possessed that one trait.

And those guys previously mention did have better careers than Mike, including Marciano, Lewis, Jack Johnson and even today with Dr. Steelhammer. That's probably why he barely cracks my top ten.

I just couldn't see Mike getting through that Klitschko jab and by time he did, it would have been Round 10 and his face would probably look like hamburger .......

gain perspective...

But as far as names go, people are gonna say, “Ali” – and people are gonna say “Tyson” – no matter how good they were, no one is gonna say “Holmes” or “Lennox Lewis” – definitely not Wladimir Klitschko.

http://camelclutchblog.com/mike-tyson-great/

[Ashy Larry]

Holmes had a better career. He just got lost in the shuffle. After Ali, before Mike. I'd take an in shape, Emmanuel Steward led Lennox Lewis over prime Tyson anyday. He brings up Mike's record - who did he beat? That question still has not been answered. His best win was probably against Donovan "Razor" Rud and you saw how many problems he had in both fights. One stopped prematurely.

People never seen a fighter like Mike before. Lightweight speed in a heavyweight body. Ali had sneaky power but not like Mike's. Foreman was just strong but not fast. Mike had both. But with those gifts, who did he really use them on? The heavyweight division in the 80s was taylor-made for Mike. It was so bad that Mike Spinks was the heavyweight champ and was he was a light heavy.

[Koolaid_Man]

Holmes had a better career. I'd take an in shape, Emmanuel Steward led Lennox Lewis over prime Tyson anyday. He brings up Mike's record - who did he beat? That question still has not been answered. His best win was probably against Donovan "Razor" Rud and you saw how many problems he had in both fights. One stopped prematurely.

People never seen a fighter like Mike before. Lightweight speed in a heavyweight body. Ali had sneaky power but not like Mike's. Foreman was just strong but not fast. Mike had both. But with those gifts, who did he really use them on? The heavyweight division in the 80s was taylor-made for Mike. It was so bad that Light heavyweight champ Mike Spinks was brought up to fight Tyson and before the fight he looked like he was gonna piss himself.

Imma keep it real with you Ashy...you don't follow boxing like you claim...everyone knows Lennox ran from Mike...straight up ran..

Lennox fought in the 84 Olympics in LA as Super Heavy weight...he chose not to turn pro until 89..he basically fought 5 more years as an amateur for no real reason except one...


Tyson also fought in the 84 Olympics turned Pro in 85 when he was the same age as Lennox...Mike was on a tear from 85 to 90...those years that punk ass Lennox didn't want to turn pro cuz he didn't want to face Mike...this is no secret he had no ing excuse to fight amateur at Super heavy weight for dam near 5 years...


Lennox finally saw his opportunity after Mike got out of Prison and clearly not the same boxer..Lennox is coward ( he though he could kick my ass...) he's still a ing coward for running from prime Mike...and you would pick that chicken ..tell me who has Lennox fought... WHO?


Mike fought who ever wanted to fight he didn't dodge anyone...Lennox however setup it nicely to where he didn't have to fight Mike until it was "safe" to do so

[Ashy Larry]

Imma keep it real with you Ashy...you don't follow boxing like you claim...everyone knows Lennox ran from Mike...straight up ran..

Lennox fought in the 84 Olympics in LA as Super Heavy weight...he chose not to turn pro until 89..he basically fought 5 more years as an amateur for no real reason except one...

or maybe it had something to do with the fact that he got worked by Tyrell Biggs and didn't medal. Mike turned pro in 85 true and had about 14 or 15 fights in one year blowing out no-names, cab drivers and guys coming from the local ho e. Yeah, really run from that.

Tyson also fought in the 84 Olympics turned Pro in 85 when he was the same age as Lennox...

I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't know about boxing. Mike was never in the 84 Olympix. Dude lost to gold medalist Henry Tillman in the Oly trials. I actually think Mike won.

Mike was on a tear from 85 to 90...those years that punk ass Lennox didn't want to turn pro cuz he didn't want to face Mike...this is no secret he had no ing excuse to fight amateur at Super heavy weight for dam near 5 years...

Dude had already stated he wanted that gold medal and going pro means no gold. That was a personal goal of his. If he had gotten it in '84, he more than likely would have gone pro. And no one told Mike to up his life. Mike still would have been a prime Tyson in 1992-1994 but oh yeah, that fool was in prison. Can't blame Lewis for that.

Lennox finally saw his opportunity after Mike got out of Prison and clearly not the same boxer..Lennox is coward (he though he could kick my ass...) he's still a ing coward for running from prime Mike...and you would pick that chicken ..

Actually, Lennox took a back seat so that Tyson could fight Holyfield after promising Lewis that he would fight him after the Bruce Seldon fight. Actually, Tyson was ducking Lewis if you want to get technical. "I'll fight the guy with the bad heart, who was healed by Benny Hinn instead. Here Lennox, take this money and I promise I'll fight you after I beat him."

tell me who has Lennox fought... WHO?

Lennox became a paper champion. How? Well, we all remember Rid Bowe dropping the WBC belt in the trash because the mandatory challenger was Lennox Lewis after he smoked Razor Ruddock, a person Mike struggled with twice. They ducked Lewis. The best heavyweight at that time didn't wanna fight Lewis. He fought the older Klitschko in a fight I thought Vitali would have won if weren't for that brutal cut.

He was robbed by Holyfield once with a draw and then beat him again. The same washed up dude that kicked Mike's ass once and was working him in the second fight before he went cannibal.

At the end of the day, Lennox's resume is a uva lot better than Mike's. Every fight Mike had with someone of name who wasn't washed up, he lost.

Mike fought who ever wanted to fight he didn't dodge anyone...Lennox however setup it nicely to where he didn't have to fight Mike until it was "safe" to do so

See that shows how much you really know. Kinda hard to dodge someone when they're locked up. And yes Mike did fight whomever he wanted to. In his "biggest" fights, he lost. Any way you dress that, you can't swing it. Whenever he fought someone of name, who wasn't damn near retired (Holmes and Spinks), what was the outcome?

[VBM]

2Pac > both, tbh

[Ashy Larry]

2Pac > both, tbh

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[Jelloisjigglin]

[Calispursfan11]

All I can say is that Josh is Da Boss for starting this priceless thread. Hail Josh!!!

[lefty]

Tyson

Kobe is just 6/24 when it matters the most

[Jelloisjigglin]

Rapelisberger has them both beat