Stern cancels first 2 weeks of NBA season

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the scrubs in the nbdl...what will happen to them?

imo this shouldve been a seperate en y from the nba

[Dex]

lol the scrubs in the nbdl...what will happen to them?

imo this shouldve been a seperate en y from the nba

IIRC, lockout doesn't affect NBDL teams. Other than the fact that there won't be any NBA teams sending players down. They are a separate en y.

Guess I'll be following the Toros more this season.

[SpursPreacher]

I do have to ask a duh question dont know if it is or not.But who can realistically get rid or fire David Stern.Is it the board ? The other executives ? The government who ?

[Giuseppe]

Highlights from this article: N.B.A. Cancels First 2 Weeks of Play

Although the division of revenue had appeared to be the greatest obstacle to a deal, both sides admitted Monday that it was the structure of the economic system that proved to be the most thorny.

The owners, citing an increasing compe ive gap between big-market and small-market franchises, want extensive new controls on team payrolls, including a punitive luxury-tax system that would impose as much as an 8-to-1 penalty for every dollar spent over a certain threshold, according to the union.

Union officials said that proposal would create a de facto hard salary cap, something they have opposed for decades.

“It’s just a hard cap in another name,” said Jeffrey Kessler, the union’s outside counsel. “And the players have made it clear that there’s going to be no hard-cap deal. And they knew that. So the only interpretation you can make out of this is this is a test to see if the players are going to hang together.”

According to the union, the N.B.A. also wants to reduce contract lengths to four years (for players with “Bird rights”) and three years (for non-Bird players), from the current six-year and five-year limits. Players signed using the midlevel exception, who had been eligible for five-year deals starting around $5.8 million, would be limited to two-year deals, starting at $3 million.

I don't like any of that .

[Giuseppe]

I hope the NBA collapses. Tired of the rigged games.

I'd love to see all the NBA players play in an untampered league.

You benefited from the rigged machinations just like we did.

Now. Now you want to get straightened out.

[benefactor]

Highlights from this article: N.B.A. Cancels First 2 Weeks of Play

Although the division of revenue had appeared to be the greatest obstacle to a deal, both sides admitted Monday that it was the structure of the economic system that proved to be the most thorny.

The owners, citing an increasing compe ive gap between big-market and small-market franchises, want extensive new controls on team payrolls, including a punitive luxury-tax system that would impose as much as an 8-to-1 penalty for every dollar spent over a certain threshold, according to the union.

Union officials said that proposal would create a de facto hard salary cap, something they have opposed for decades.

“It’s just a hard cap in another name,” said Jeffrey Kessler, the union’s outside counsel. “And the players have made it clear that there’s going to be no hard-cap deal. And they knew that. So the only interpretation you can make out of this is this is a test to see if the players are going to hang together.”

According to the union, the N.B.A. also wants to reduce contract lengths to four years (for players with “Bird rights”) and three years (for non-Bird players), from the current six-year and five-year limits. Players signed using the midlevel exception, who had been eligible for five-year deals starting around $5.8 million, would be limited to two-year deals, starting at $3 million.

Wow...what a load of horse . So not only do they want 50/50 BRI, but a soft cap that basically = hard cap(lol 8-1), two years off contract lengths and three years and almost 3 million less of a starting salary off of the MLE...plus Stern is threatening that the deals will get worse as the season loses more games. L M A O.

These aren't negotiations. It Stern and the owners ramming a spoonful of down the players throat when THEY WERE THE PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.

Say what you want about them still getting millions to play basketball...at some point principle has to get involved. If someone that you worked for pissed away a bunch of cash because they were too stupid to manage it correctly then turned around and tried to take your money away to right things you'd probably go look for another job.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Say what you want about them still getting millions to play basketball...at some point principle has to get involved. If someone that you worked for pissed away a bunch of cash because they were too stupid to manage it correctly then turned around and tried to take your money away to right things you'd probably go look for another job.

I'm sure they'll all be welcomed to work in McDonald's or something for the minimum wage as an alternative.

If the lockout persists, no more than 5% of the players will get equal money playing elsewhere. They have no leverage, even at 50-50 split, reduced years and less MLE.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nbdl send kawhi down

as for stern, its the owners that selected him...


imo fck the nba players...stern and the owners could just camp it out, and refill the league with more young rookies and fill the team rosters up with them with low paid players, just like how the nba started back in the day...

quality might be , but these are some of the same players from the ncaa final 4 tournies, but this time we get to see them in a 82 game season

[benefactor]

I'm sure they'll all be welcomed to work in McDonald's or something for the minimum wage as an alternative.

If the lockout persists, no more than 5% of the players will get equal money playing elsewhere. They have no leverage, even at 50-50 split, reduced years and less MLE.

I think you missed the point of the analogy. Just because they have no leverage doesn't make the deal fair...especially when the owners are expecting the players to give back loads of cash because they have no idea how to run a franchise.

[benefactor]

nbdl send kawhi down

as for stern, its the owners that selected him...


imo fck the nba players...stern and the owners could just camp it out, and refill the league with more young rookies and fill the team rosters up with them with low paid players, just like how the nba started back in the day...

quality might be , but these are some of the same players from the ncaa final 4 tournies, but this time we get to see them in a 82 game season

That would never work. The NBA is a star driven league. Household names make the money...not a bunch of scrubs. They would turn to contraction before they did this.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think you missed the point of the analogy. Just because they have no leverage doesn't make the deal fair...especially when the owners are expecting the players to give back loads of cash because they have no idea how to run a franchise.

I'm not saying whether it's fair or not, I don't know, I think it's difficult to define what 'fair' is in this case. Reality is, players have nowhere else to earn the money they get in the NBA ( most of them anyway ), thus one could easily determine that it'd be fair if they earned twice less than they have been until this point. Others would argue they used to get way too much until now, which had been unfair for the owners.

Bottomlines is, who cares what's fair, it doesn't come into play in business negotiations. Problem is, both sides seem too greedy and stubborn to make a business decision and that's very unprofessional as they'll lose more money in the process than they'd fight for in a lengthly negotiating process.

[benefactor]

So you don't really have a position at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If by position you mean I should either be on the side of the owners or the players, then no, I can't sympathise with either.

[velik_m]

Oh, well more time for NHL i suppose...

[acoelho1]

The players should have decertified from the start. The owners had no intention to negotiate in good faith by their rediculous initial offer. It's a player's league and they deserve the majority of the revenue in my opinion. If the NBA is so concern about compe iveness, why don't they split the revenue from the local TV contracts like they do in the NFL.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow...what a load of horse . So not only do they want 50/50 BRI, but a soft cap that basically = hard cap(lol 8-1), two years off contract lengths and three years and almost 3 million less of a starting salary off of the MLE...plus Stern is threatening that the deals will get worse as the season loses more games. L M A O.

These aren't negotiations. It Stern and the owners ramming a spoonful of down the players throat when THEY WERE THE PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.

Say what you want about them still getting millions to play basketball...at some point principle has to get involved. If someone that you worked for pissed away a bunch of cash because they were too stupid to manage it correctly then turned around and tried to take your money away to right things you'd probably go look for another job.

ing exactly. Thats why I was shocked when I visited the other thread and people were actually talking about the players union. They've already conceded a load and quite frankly if some of those small market teams can't make it in this environment SHUT THEM DOWN! The leauge is too god damn big anyway.

[MannyIsGod]

TBH I don't even really care that part of the season is gone. Maybe I'll regret it more come November but as Baseline Bum said NCAA is going to be good this year. My Lobos are staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked.

The best part is I get to save money on League Pass!

[boutons_deux]

Just another example among 1000s of the employers' War on Employees that was initiated by St Ronnie firing the 11K+ air traffic controllers after 2 days of strike. Executive salaries have exploded since 1980, while household real income has stagnated.

The Big Picture always help understand what the tiny NBA thing is really about.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just another example among 1000s of the employers' War on Employees that was initiated by St Ronnie firing the 11K+ air traffic controllers after 2 days of strike. Executive salaries have exploded since 1980, while household real income has stagnated.

The Big Picture always help understand what the tiny NBA thing is really about.

Ronald Reagan didn't start . Look up history of the industrial revolution.

This actually has nothing to do with that whatsoever. There is no NLRB and if there will be any government involvement it will be from the players suing an rust. What do lockout mean?

I understand that what you are saying is a democratic talking point and that it includes the word union but try harder.

[baseline bum]

ing exactly. Thats why I was shocked when I visited the other thread and people were actually talking about the players union. They've already conceded a load and quite frankly if some of those small market teams can't make it in this environment SHUT THEM DOWN! The leauge is too god damn big anyway.

I don't think you can treat a sports league as a free market. If you did, there would be 10 teams in the league: the LA Lakers, Golden State Warriors, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Washington Wizards, Philadelphia 76ers, New York Knicks, and the Boston Celtics. I don't think any other market could compete. Having only those 10 teams would be pretty bad for the league and their overall revenues, as it would kill national viewership, merchandise sale, and of course the gate receipts from 20 teams. It's funny how the players are basically expected to do all the subsidization of the smaller markets in the NBA's proposal.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think you can treat a sports league as a free market. If you did, there would be 10 teams in the league: the LA Lakers, Golden State Warriors, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Washington Wizards, Philadelphia 76ers, New York Knicks, and the Boston Celtics. I don't think any other market could compete. Having only those 10 teams would be pretty bad for the league and their overall revenues, as it would kill national viewership, merchandise sale, and of course the gate receipts from 20 teams. It's funny how the players are basically expected to do all the subsidization of the smaller markets in the NBA's proposal.

That and the scarcity of the labor pool is going to drive prices sky high similar to what you see in the health care market. I can understand that the owners would want the market fixed but this notion that it is an inherent right to do so is plain wrong.

[Cane]

The owners are going to "win", the only questions are by how much and when. I don't like seeing weeks getting cancelled but the real season is the playoffs anyway right?

[Juggity]

Ronald Reagan didn't start . Look up history of the industrial revolution.

He does have a point, though, in that Ronald Reagan was a disgusting anti-intellectual subhuman piece of .

[dbreiden83080]

Exactly. If they are saying the deal is going to get worse as this goes along, that doesn't bode well. Things have the potential to get very ugly.

That's just negotiating horse- and the players won't buy a word of it.. How will those losses look to the owners if they miss all 82 games? A deal will get done at some point, i would not expect them to miss more games than they did in 99..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He does have a point, though, in that Ronald Reagan was a disgusting anti-intellectual subhuman piece of .

One thing those Republicans did along with the mindless defense spending was put money into the NSF and big science in general. Reagan was the one that approved the particle collider that was supposed to be outside of Dallas. It would have come on line about 6 or 7 years ago and been able to do much, much higher energy experiments than what they are doing at CERN today. Clinton was the one that scuttled that and scaled back NSF funding in the 90s which established the trend since.

The GOP in those days embraced academia and research to a much greater degree than the status quo of Bible thumper goes disestablishmentarian politics.

He was hardly the first president that was also a corporate stooge. Grover Cleveland and William McKinley were both predated by Alexander Hamilton who was there from the get go. We still have two parties and the same phenomenon.