Of course they give a about qualifying for the finals, you can't win the NBA championship if you don't get there. Let's play some hypotheticals. Kobe's team beat Tim's twice in seasons he lost the finals, 2004 and 2008. Pistons and Celtics of those years can argue they beat the Lakers, therefore they would have beat the Spurs had they made it. The difference here is now Kobe is undefeated in the finals, but Tim isn't yet he has more finals appearances, plus his Spurs are up 4-2 on the Lakers instead of the other way around. Just one championship fewer. The latter becomes a whole new argument to boost Tim over Kobe. The Kobe had Shaq wrinkle doesn't really make logical sense because Bryant and Duncan play different positions. One can just as easily say Tim had a bunch of small guys that were good that he couldn't win without.
MJ never won a playoff game against the Celtics, one reason he has only 6 finals appearances. The Bad Boy Pistons are another hurdle he had to get by, the Celtics faded quickly after MJ's last series with them. Using LeBron in your example makes no sense because he never rang. So, I'll use another all time great, Dr. J. He lost his first 3 finals appearances yet his Sixers owned the Celtics; both the Havlicek/Cowens/White and early Larry Bird teams. Bird needed Dennis Johnson to get over the Sixers, who imploded after their one le in 1983. Dr. J's legacy is secure.
Go back and read my post, all I'm saying is, one can manipulate statistics to make a point, and either MJ, Kobe, or Tim can come out ahead, or last, depending on which stat you select.
You can cherry pick stats to support a point. I agree.
The "greatness" of a player is a nebulous thing. We can tell the difference between a Kobe and a Sasha, but we cannot capture the difference between them except in stats (and on film of course).
We could use stats to show any player is better than another player at something. If that something was our "thing", we would probably hold onto it like Culby does the 5/4 thing.
Last edited by DMC; 10-29-2011 at 10:46 PM.
^You held on to 4-3 Duncan.
It's only right & proper that I hold on to 5-4 Kobe.
bend over and I'll dress you as a scarecrow
teehee
Lol "Holloween."
Show me where I ever boasted about 4 -3 or say you are generalizing.
I was generalizing.
Welcome back, angel.
Tom me rings only matter when the players are close. By no measure are Wilt and Russell or BR and MJ close. BR was rebounding and shotblocking fiend from what I hear, but his scoring and FG% were good but no where near Hakeem, Kareem or Wilt.
Kobe a top 5 player all-time.
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Magic ahead of Jordan with Kobe surpassing MJ when he ties him in rings.
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Jesus ing Christ what happened to our educational system.
What's up Naruto? Have you settled your debts already? Have you stopped muddling through life and have found a sense of direction?
Venti
Quattro
^I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.
^bend over, I'll give.... never mind
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