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    you nbadan, I remember when you where democrat/liberal to the end. now, I see you have come to realize there aren't GOP v Dems. Its ordinary people vs. corporations.

    ...and dems and gop'rs are both on the take.
    Oh, I still think 99.99% of Republicans are crooked and conservatism only works during times of broad economic expansion, however, if Dems and Obama had kept more of their promises to reform government and reign in money influence on government, there wouldn't be an occupy movement today...

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    If you think the government pissing off another half trillion on future construction projects to placate the union base is going to end or even significantly effect systemic unemployment you are out of your ing mind.
    Is that what was included in the GOP bill?

    You're still missing the point. The point is that there's real people that need real, immediate help, while these congrescritters keep ing around.

    We all get you're not one of those people and thus don't give a flying . But there's no doubt the system as it is isn't delivering what it needs to deliver.

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    It sucks for Obama that his political career peaked in 2008. I remember discussing it in here that I couldn't understand why ANYONE would want to be President right then and eat the inevitable sandwich a contracting economy was going to force down their throat. The simple fact is that at some point the government CAN'T fix things...the BEST they can do is "do no harm" and stay the out of it and let the economy gradually heal itself.


    We're not discussing Obama or his jobs bill for that matter... not sure where that flew over your head, but it certainly did.

    We're discussing Congress and it's inability to get over the partisan bickering on both sides.

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    Is that what was included in the GOP bill?

    You're still missing the point. The point is that there's real people that need real, immediate help, while these congrescritters keep ing around.

    We all get you're not one of those people and thus don't give a flying . But there's no doubt the system as it is isn't delivering what it needs to deliver.
    No, YOU are still missing the point.

    Congress can't do .

    There is NO magic bullet to fix the economy.

    Your heart can bleed all it wants about the people that need immediate help but congress is essentially powerless to help them find a sustainable job.

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    OK, I'm curious...are ANY of you unemployed or feel that you are under employed?

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    OK, I'm curious...are ANY of you unemployed or feel that you are under employed?


    congress is only powerless because they work for the corporations.

    kill all the free trade agreement and increase tariffs from china and the rest of the world and jobs will spring up over night.(something congress could do----but won't do)

    ....somehow i think you know this cc but you act dumb.

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    When you start talking about reinventing the way our government works so that you can get a win it sounds pretty butt hurt to me.
    The procedure is to hold the floor if you actually have something to say. They only want to deny passage of the bill. If you want the passage of a bill in Congress to be 60% then you can have that argument. i would prefer changing it to that than just keep it the way it is.

    The fact that the basis of the maneuver is in essence a lie i feel very strongly that it needs to be changed one way or another so its not just bull . Rule of law and all that good stuff. Its a travesty quite frankly.

    Infrastructure improvements are needed and because of the bipolar nature of our legislature nothing gets done. Banking regulation has been passed off to a committee and ignored. The solution to the budget crisis was to pass it off to a committee. Nothing gets done.

    I could give a about the Democrats. They are an organization of bags too. There is nothing noble about Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. The only one of that lot that I have even a measure of respect for is Hillary Clinton and she is married to the head that put us down this track in the first place.

    I look at most other democracies and they have more choices then tweedledee and tweedledum. I feel very strongly that we the people deserve better than this.

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    The idea that the Federal Government can spend it's way into economic prosperity for the country is ludicrous.
    I would go into serious debt too if I was stupid enough to think I could spend myself into prosperity.

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    OK, I'm curious...are ANY of you unemployed or feel that you are under employed?
    I'm under employed.

    I took a promotion to swing shift, and I am finally making more than I did 10 years ago. How much has the cost of living gone up since then? That's how much I am underemployed by, at a minimum.

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    congress is only powerless because they work for the corporations.

    kill all the free trade agreement and increase tariffs from china and the rest of the world and jobs will spring up over night.(something congress could do----but won't do)

    ....somehow i think you know this cc but you act dumb.
    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

    The overly simplistic view that isolationism could work in a global economy has been pretty well debunked. GM sells as many cars outside the US as they do in the US.

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    No, YOU are still missing the point.

    Congress can't do .

    There is NO magic bullet to fix the economy.
    Quote where the bills are trying to "fix the economy"? They're both a jobs bill authorizing the creation of jobs for infrastructure, to temporarily address the unemployment rate.

    Can you point out where in the OP there's a reference to "magic bullet to fix the economy"? Of course you can't.

    Congress can pass bills to help/benefit their cons uency, and by extension, the country. And that should be the priority, not partisan bickering.

    I'm not surprised that I still have to explain to you at this day and age what Congress is SUPPOSED to do.

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    OK, I'm curious...are ANY of you unemployed or feel that you are under employed?
    Why?

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    the difference comes down to basic philosophy...does the government spend too much or not tax enough?
    False dilemma. The answer is both. You used to say so too...

    Change your tune much?

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    False dilemma. The answer is both. You used to say so too...

    Change your tune much?
    Oh, I agree that now that we have spent ourselves into national poverty that in the short term taxes will have to be raised ( ing our economic recovery even more) to finally dig our way out of this debt hole, but long term the problem is too much spending. Without dramatic re-assessment of spending we will continue to flush our country down the drain.

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    Quote where the bills are trying to "fix the economy"? They're both a jobs bill authorizing the creation of jobs for infrastructure, to temporarily address the unemployment rate.

    Can you point out where in the OP there's a reference to "magic bullet to fix the economy"? Of course you can't.

    Congress can pass bills to help/benefit their cons uency, and by extension, the country. And that should be the priority, not partisan bickering.

    I'm not surprised that I still have to explain to you at this day and age what Congress is SUPPOSED to do.
    Real job growth comes from fixing the economy and not from spending more borrowed money (thus increasing our national debt even more) for temporary government funded construction jobs to bribe your democratic union base.

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    You can't ignore the revenue side. As a businessman you ought to know there are two sides to the ledger.

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    You can't ignore the revenue side. As a businessman you ought to know there are two sides to the ledger.
    Well, I am about to leave for the weekend so you guys have fun.

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    Real job growth comes from fixing the economy
    Whose responsibility is it to fix the economy?

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    Well, I am about to leave for the weekend so you guys have fun.
    Have a good one, CC.

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    Oh, I agree that now that we have spent ourselves into national poverty that in the short term taxes will have to be raised ( ing our economic recovery even more) to finally dig our way out of this debt hole
    How about just reversing what were supposed to be short term tax cuts? Seems like that would help, but the beneficiaries of those tax cuts continue to cry "wealth distribution" every time the prospect of letting them end is discussed.

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    Real job growth comes from fixing the economy and not from spending more borrowed money (thus increasing our national debt even more) for temporary government funded construction jobs to bribe your democratic union base.
    So the GOP bill that was also squashed was to appeal to the GOP union base too?

    Fear darkie and unions is the CC way it seems. Thanks Mr. Robot.

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    Real job growth comes from fixing the economy and not from spending more borrowed money (thus increasing our national debt even more) for temporary government funded construction jobs to bribe your democratic union base.
    The GOP bill was attempting to 'bribe your democratic union base'? That makes no sense.

    And I'm pretty sure they're not looking for "real job growth" or "fixing the economy" at this time. The idea behind the bills was to provide a temporary palliative solution to a very real contemporary problem.

    You're still missing the point. There were two bills killed, from both parties, and over petty partisan BS.

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    Real job growth comes from fixing the economy and not from spending more borrowed money (thus increasing our national debt even more) for temporary government funded construction jobs to bribe your democratic union base.

    FDR did it. and millions were fed.

    I guess the country needs to starve before you understand.......

    so let it starve so people like CC will run for their lives.

    ......because if people begin to starve, communism is just around the corner.

    .......so stop playing stupid, because this could turn violent.

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