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    Kori and Timvp going at it

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    Powerful thread. Timmy should go ahead and hang it up if there is no season.

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    There's always Scola, the second greatest Power Forward to become a Spur. Oh wait....

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    Rockets

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    No Rocket need be mentioned in this thread , especially not that dude mr Scola.

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    I hope he retires...he had a good run but there's not much left in the tank. Seeing Gasol and Z-Bo abuse him on the block was tough to watch--even for a guy I've rooted against for most of his career. The Spurs could use the cap relief too--no sense prolonging a lost cause. Spurs are undeniably a non-contender, time to start rebuilding.

    fwiw he was the best PF ever to play...let him go out with dignity, we don't need to see anymore Ali-Holmes moments like last year.

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    Greatest PF to ever play the game, and top 5 center if you want to call him a center.
    He is arguably the greatest PF (dont think you can say it is definitive) he gets my vote but I do concede cases can be made for other guys as well.

    At center, not sure you can say he is definitively a top 5 center. top 10 most definitely top 3 PF, and most likely #1 for sure ...

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    He is arguably the greatest PF (dont think you can say it is definitive) he gets my vote but I do concede cases can be made for other guys as well.

    At center, not sure you can say he is definitively a top 5 center. top 10 most definitely top 3 PF, and most likely #1 for sure ...
    Not top 5 center, that's for sure

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    Let's see...Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon. He's in the ballpark.

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    I hope he retires...he had a good run but there's not much left in the tank. Seeing Gasol and Z-Bo abuse him on the block was tough to watch--even for a guy I've rooted against for most of his career. The Spurs could use the cap relief too--no sense prolonging a lost cause. Spurs are undeniably a non-contender, time to start rebuilding.

    fwiw he was the best PF ever to play...let him go out with dignity, we don't need to see anymore Ali-Holmes moments like last year.
    He's obviously nowhere near the player he used to be, but this idea that he's hanging by a thread is flat out wrong. He finished 14th in the league in PER last season and was either the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.

    Why is it that no one says Garnett should retire? Though he rebounded somewhat last season, his game has fallen further than Duncan's in recent seasons.

    Why would they enter into a full fledged re-build when they're almost certainly at most a year and half away from a forced one? It's San Antonio, not Los Angeles. They're not going to have a steady stream of Hall-of-Famers magically appear and bail them out every time the future looks bleak. They'll be hard pressed to build a team even this good in the near future.

    They'd be better off doing what they're doing now, which is attempting to contend, while simultaneously re-building. If they have everything go right for them, maybe they go on one final deep run. But even if they don't, at least they can say they tried to contend in Duncan's final seasons. They owe that to him.

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    He's obviously nowhere near the player he used to be, but this idea that he's hanging by a thread is flat out wrong. He finished 14th in the league in PER last season and was either the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.

    Why is it that no one says Garnett should retire? Though he rebounded somewhat last season, his game has fallen further than Duncan's in recent seasons.

    Why would they enter into a full fledged re-build when they're almost certainly at most a year and half away from a forced one? It's San Antonio, not Los Angeles. They're not going to have a steady stream of Hall-of-Famers magically appear and bail them out every time the future looks bleak. They'll be hard pressed to build a team even this good in the near future.

    They'd be better off doing what they're doing now, which is attempting to contend, while simultaneously re-building. If they have everything go right for them, maybe they go on one final deep run. But even if they don't, at least they can say they tried to contend in Duncan's final seasons. They owe that to him.
    Not even then. 2 of their top 3 players are old--and while Manu still shows great skill--he just can't make it through a full season anymore, even w/ reduced minutes. RJ and Bonner still get major minutes for some inexplicable reason, and the team as a whole is not good enough defensively.

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    not even then. 2 of their top 3 players are old--and while kobe still shows great skill--he just can't make it through a full season anymore, even w/ reduced minutes. Fisher and brown still get major minutes for some inexplicable reason, and the team as a whole is not good enough defensively.
    fify

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    ^
    The Lakers have won 5 championships with Fisher getting major minutes--including winning Game 3 of the 2010 Finals and Game 4 of the 2009 Finals. He's old and should probably retire, but he's delivered for the Lakers over the years.

    What have RJ and Bonner delivered for the Spurs, other than frustration and heartbreak?

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    The Lakers have won 5 championships with Fisher getting major minutes--including winning Game 3 of the 2010 Finals and Game 4 of the 2009 Finals. He's old and should probably retire, but he's delivered for the Lakers over the years.

    What have RJ and Bonner delivered for the Spurs, other than frustration and heartbreak?
    agree.

    still does not change my version of your quote which is 100% true

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    agree.

    still does not change my version of your quote which is 100% true
    'fraid not...Kobe played all 82 games at 33-34 min/game and finished Top 5 in scoring. The Lakers finished 5th in defense.


    Next.

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    'fraid not...Kobe played all 82 games at 33-34 min/game and finished Top 5 in scoring. The Lakers finished 5th in defense.


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    and got bukkaked by JJ Barea

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    and got bukkaked by JJ Barea
    Which has nothing to do with you being wrong in your previous post. But since you're moving goalposts now...


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    DD with the "I can all over you by using facts or trolling" goods.

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    Not even then. 2 of their top 3 players are old--and while Manu still shows great skill--he just can't make it through a full season anymore, even w/ reduced minutes. RJ and Bonner still get major minutes for some inexplicable reason, and the team as a whole is not good enough defensively.
    They're likely still in the top 4, in a conference that lacks a dominate team. It's not difficult to envision a scenario where they make a couple of realistic moves and get a couple of lucky breaks and end up in the Conference Finals. It's definitely not likely, but how likely was the Mavs winning the championship? Or the Grizzlies nearly making the WCF? Or the Suns being in the '10 WCF?

    The Spurs finished 11th in defensive efficiency, but were a mere .5 out of 7th, which is right about where they were for much of the season. That was with Splitter not being in the rotation, which won't be the case next season. Their stated goal is to get back to being 5th-7th, which is not possible with the current personnel. So another move or two to improve the personnel defensively is likely.

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    TD 21 with the goods....

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    They're likely still in the top 4, in a conference that lacks a dominate team. It's not difficult to envision a scenario where they make a couple of realistic moves and get a couple of lucky breaks and end up in the Conference Finals. It's definitely not likely, but how likely was the Mavs winning the championship? Or the Grizzlies nearly making the WCF? Or the Suns being in the '10 WCF?

    The Spurs finished 11th in defensive efficiency, but were a mere .5 out of 7th, which is right about where they were for much of the season. That was with Splitter not being in the rotation, which won't be the case next season. Their stated goal is to get back to being 5th-7th, which is not possible with the current personnel. So another move or two to improve the personnel defensively is likely.
    I think Splitter and Anderson playing more would have helped alot defensively. Splitter has great pick and roll and low post defense. He's also good at drawing fouls. Anderson would have provided some athleticism on the wing and the ability to defend bigger wings.

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    Prime example of how stupid spurs fans can be... Bunch of bandwagon fans with no loyalty... One bad game and people start talking about trading Tony and Manu...

    Heck even a Mavs Fan was backing Timmy up

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    DD with the "I can all over you by using facts or trolling" goods.
    Tim Duncan with the unexpected " you, DD" goods

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    Prime example of how stupid hater can be... bandwagon fan with no loyalty... One bad game and hater start talking about trading Tony and Manu...

    Heck even a Mavs Fan was backing Timmy up
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