Newt blasted for amnesty stance during GOP debate

[mavs>spurs]

Okay so you want amnesty, which you say would only apply to a small percentage of people. So if the amount of illegals is really only 11 million(), and not many of them would even be affected by this, then how does it even address illegal immigration other than undermining our sovereignty and creating incentives to break the law? We'd still have almost 11 million problems on our hands to take care of..

Oh, and since these are the hard working cream of the b3aner crop, they won't be satisfied with minimum wage jobs once they get their "amnesty." It'll be another couple million people competing for the same jobs that middle class americans are already competing for. I know of at least 10 illegals PERSONALLY who have degrees and can't use them who would enter the workforce for these higher paying jobs. An aerospace engineer who dj's at clubs because he can't work legally, a nurse who sits at home and does nothing, a teacher who volunteers as a teacher's assistant and grades papers for free. All of them would immediately start putting the sqeeze on our unemployed middle class. Further destruction of the middle class...

[hater]

Okay so you want amnesty, which you say would only apply to a small percentage of people. So if the amount of illegals is really only 11 million(), and not many of them would even be affected by this, then how does it even address illegal immigration other than undermining our sovereignty and creating incentives to break the law? We'd still have almost 11 million problems on our hands to take care of..

Oh, and since these are the hard working cream of the b3aner crop, they won't be satisfied with minimum wage jobs once they get their "amnesty." It'll be another couple million people competing for the same jobs that middle class americans are already competing for. Further destruction of the middle class...

The Amnesty deal usually comes with strict rules on employers similar to what yo are calling for. Reagan tried this. Unfortunately the politicians suc bed to the Employer's lobbying and removed most of those restrictions from the law.

Similar to what happened with Obamacare BTW

Just another dollar from lobbyist and another day at the office for a US politician. Reagan's amnesty meant well but was a failure in the end.

[mavs>spurs]

So then you'd agree that this really only hurts the middle class. Simple economics.

[hater]

So then you'd agree that this really only hurts the middle class. Simple economics.

no I agree politicians are crooked. Healthcare, Immigration, Financial. All owned by the corporations.

nothing will change even if a nut like Bachman becomes president.

[LnGrrrR]

Suppose that an natural-born American citizen and an illegal immigrant from Mexico marry each other and have two kids. Ten years later, when the kids are 13 and 11, the mother's status as an illegal immigrant becomes known. At the same time, the 11 year old is gravely ill.

Would you deport the mother in that case?

You really have to ask FWDT? You know WC's answer... "They should have known better, they knew the consequences, etc etc"

[mavs>spurs]

And they did.

[LnGrrrR]

Not a good example. Amnesty or not that immigrant will eventually become citizen due to being married to a citizen.

Not necessarily. You have to start the paperwork, and it isn't exactly cheap (a few thousand dollars at least) and it isn't exactly quick (at least 3 years for citizenship, roughly a year for a green card).

[mavs>spurs]

you'd know bc you married an illegal brah

[LnGrrrR]

you'd know bc you married an illegal brah

Nah, she had a VISA. Same paperwork from there though.

[Wild Cobra]

I guess marriage licenses are worthless these days, huh?

[boutons_deux]

50% of 1st USA marriages end in divorce.

marriage is sacred? GMAFB

Denying same-sex marriage is nothing but the hate-filled "Christian" Taleban forcing their "morals" on everybody else.

I'm sure 50% of those same haters also divorce, and have abortions and practice birth control.

Noot's reasonable position on long-time illegals has pretty much killed his chances with the maddog xenophobes, most of whom would be on bottom of the socio-economic totem pole if it weren't for the illegals below them.

[JoeChalupa]

Well it looks like Newt is going to regret his stance on immigration and so would Romney if he hadn't flipped-flopped again on the issue.

[mavs>spurs]

Yeah I really didn't understand that at all, americans just aren't going to accept legalizing all these illegals and what he did probably just killed his chances. Especially for a CONSERVATIVE candidate to say something like that, kind of makes you wonder what he was thinking.

[TheProfessor]

Yeah I really didn't understand that at all, americans just aren't going to accept legalizing all these illegals and what he did probably just killed his chances. Especially for a CONSERVATIVE candidate to say something like that, kind of makes you wonder what he was thinking.

This stance isn't exactly new for Gingrich. His 10-point immigration plan has been up on his site for some time. Pretty funny that everyone is so shocked by it.

[ChuckD]

Make the laws tougher against employers hire illegals. Make it a felony to hire them and they'll all be gone in a month.

Yeah, because that's really working in AL and GA....

[LnGrrrR]

I guess marriage licenses are worthless these days, huh?

Well, it can help give a reason for starting a green card/citizenship.

[ChuckD]

If we just make laws tougher, that will get rid of _________. Because it always works like that.

Let me elaborate...

[mingus]

we should send some of these bags to Mexico for a week and see if they don't try and cross the border. it's a genocide over there, but we're not labeling it such for political reasons.

[mavs>spurs]

we should send some of these bags to Mexico for a week and see if they don't try and cross the border. it's a genocide over there, but we're not labeling it such for political reasons.

what the are you talking about dude? most of these people immigrated 20 years ago. they'd all rather run away and feed off the white man's tee tee instead of fixing their own country, and look what happened now? the cartels took over the country. you reap what you sow, now roll in your filth gots.

[mingus]

what the are you talking about dude? most of these people immigrated 20 years ago. they'd all rather run away and feed off the white man's tee tee instead of fixing their own country, and look what happened now? the cartels took over the country. you reap what you sow, now roll in your filth gots.

true. but there are thousands fleeing a genocide right now. i don't know what the qualification for a genocide are, but what 40,000 have died in 7 years or so...i say we have to do something more about that. the ones who have been here for 20 years and are productive citizens with a family, i think they should be allowed to stay. now, if they're in gangs, or drunks, or don't pay taxes, and are just overall dead weight on society, i say them and deport them. but there are plenty of good, ambitious hardoworking mexicans who take their shot at the american dream seriously and i don't see them point in deporting them.

[mavs>spurs]

the point is that we have 10% unemployment (admitted, but the real number is higher) and if you add 20 million more to the job market then unemployment will rise even further. you can't give incentives to break the laws or it sets a dangerous precedent. i'll tell you what we should do, we should invade mexico and wipe out the cartels because they're the real threat to homeland security, bringing in the drugs to poison our people.

[boutons_deux]

Gingrich, the Ultimate Beltway Bandit

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich epitomizes the licentious lifestyle and lucrative cronyism that American conservatives claim to hate, yet he is the latest Republican presidential hopeful to soar into frontrunner status,

You maybe should think twice when even Jack Abramoff thinks you’re beneath contempt. Not that Newt Gingrich cares.

Abramoff, America’s favorite convicted influence peddler, told NBC’s David Gregory that presidential candidate and former Speaker of the House Gingrich is one of those “people who came to Washington, who had public service, and they cash in on it. They use their public service and access to make money.”

Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich

Newt, he continued, is “engaged in the exact kind of corruption that America disdains. The very things that anger the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement and everybody who is not in a movement and watches Washington and says why are these guys getting all this money, why do they go become so rich, why do they have these advantages?”

do the math: according to Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Kristin Jensen at Bloomberg News, “The former Georgia congressman reported assets in 1997 of between $197,000 and $606,000, according to his last House personal financial disclosure report, which permits lawmakers to record their wealth in broad ranges. According to his 2011 presidential disclosure report, the Republican primary candidate today is worth between $7.3 million and $31 million.”

http://consortiumnews.com/2011/11/25...eltway-bandit/

[Cry Havoc]

Not shocking. If you aren't rank and file and step in line with basically every other republican on social issues, they will work as hard as possible to ostracize you.

[boutons_deux]

Note how any Repug wanna-be-Prez, like Noot on this issue and Huntsman on several issues, who speaks with any reasonableness, humanity, practical, serious, centrist, even right-of-center, approaches/compromises to America's problems is trashed as socialist, class warrior (against the 1%), unAmerican, traitor, terrorist-lover, etc. by the orchestrated VRWC hate media.

[scott]

Let me elaborate...

Excellent revision, sir.