If amnesty clause is in place does Jefferson get cut this season?

[TheCerebral1]

The guy cannot hit a three when open, cannot defend, doesn't do much of anything. He's a monumental flop as a Spur. Bring Robert Horry out of retirement, that guy has more game at 45 than Jefferson has at any point as a Spur. This guy cost trading George Hill. But I'm ready for Kawhi Leonard. Get out of town you trash bag hoe.

[DPG21920]

If the amnesty clause is like in owner's offer that was made public, waived players will go through a special waiver procedure were teams can claim him for only a fraction of his salary.

I can even see a team like Clippers unofficially contact Spurs to tell then that if they use the clause on RJ, they will claim for a certain fraction of his previous contract. Waiving RJ and paying only 60% or even 50% of his salary could be a good opportunity for Spurs.

Now that the details of the new CBA are known, I doubt Spurs will waive RJ this year. It makes little sense basketball wise and financially wise.

??? They do get to have the waiver priority where another team will pay part of his salary.

[Bruno]

??? They do get to have the waiver priority where another team will pay part of his salary.

That's how the amnesty rule will work:
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports...-do ent.html

Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.

Salary of amnestied players included for purposes of calculating players’ agreed-upon share of BRI.

A modified waiver process will be utilized for players waived pursuant to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap can submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the team that waived him.

Clippers can secretly contact Spurs and tell them that if the amnesty is used on RJ, they will make an offer of, let's say, 40% of his contract.

By doing that, Spurs will know that in the worst case, they willl have to pay only 60% of RJ's contract. Clippers will get RJ with a contract they like. If they are outbid by another team, they'll lose nothing.

The weakness in that plan is that Spurs will have to trust Clippers will make the offer. Once RJ is amnestied, nothing force Clippers to make a 40% offer or even to make an offer. If Clippers betrayed their word, Spurs couldn't since this whole arrangement is illegal.

[TD 21]

That's how the amnesty rule will work:
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports...-do ent.html


Clippers can secretly contact Spurs and tell them that if the amnesty is used on RJ, they will make an offer of, let's say, 40% of his contract.

By doing that, Spurs will know that in the worst case, they willl have to pay only 60% of RJ's contract. Clippers will get RJ with a contract they like. If they are outbid by another team, they'll lose nothing.

The weakness in that plan is that Spurs will have to trust Clippers will make the offer. Once RJ is amnestied, nothing force Clippers to make a 40% offer or even to make an offer. If Clippers betrayed their word, Spurs couldn't since this whole arrangement is illegal.

I'd be surprised if teams did that though. It's unethical and it's bad business.

I don't think the Spurs will use the amnesty on Jefferson this season. It sounds great to say "use it on him now and sign Battier", but that's a lot of money to spend for a move that could very well be a lateral one or close to it. The only time Holt has shown a willingness to spend big is when it was believed doing so would potentially push the Spurs over the top.

That being said, I had previously thought that they couldn't keep Jefferson AND acquire Amir Johnson (or another starting PF who makes in his range), because it would likely increase payroll. In reality, they could acquire Johnson for Blair and McDyess and not increase payroll (they'd actually save half a million for this season).

[Mel_13]

I'd be surprised if teams did that though. It's unethical and it's bad business.

I don't think the Spurs will use the amnesty on Jefferson this season. It sounds great to say "use it on him now and sign Battier", but that's a lot of money to spend for a move that could very well be a lateral one or close to it. The only time Holt has shown a willingness to spend big is when it was believed doing so would potentially push the Spurs over the top.

That being said, I had previously thought that they couldn't keep Jefferson AND acquire Amir Johnson (or another starting PF who makes in his range), because it would likely increase payroll. In reality, they could acquire Johnson for Blair and McDyess and not increase payroll (they'd actually save half a million for this season).

Only if you assume that Dice will play this season.

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Only if you assume that Dice will play this season.

Everyone knew when he signed that he more than likely was going to retire after the second season. But I think the plan all along was to use his partially guaranteed contract to bring in a younger PF, who's making about the same. So I think they were/are willing to still allot that amount to the starting PF.

[DPG21920]

Man, I'm glad this is back . There is a ton of new dimensions to this now and we still have a ton to learn on how this all works.

[Mel_13]

Everyone knew when he signed that he more than likely was going to retire after the second season. But I think the plan all along was to use his partially guaranteed contract to bring in a younger PF, who's making about the same. So I think they were/are willing to still allot that amount to the starting PF.

They may well be, but they won't save money by doing it. That was my point.

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They may well be, but they won't save money by doing it. That was my point.

You knew what I meant. Just couldn't resist the usual condescending remark.

[Mel_13]

You knew what I meant. Just couldn't resist the usual condescending remark.

I responded to your post as written.

Any condescension was received by you, not delivered by me.

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I responded to your post as written.

Any condescension was received by you, not delivered by me.

Either you knew what was meant (but just couldn't pass up the opportunity to get someone on a technicality) or you just think I'm an idiot.

It was received by me . . . but only after it was delivered by you.

[Mel_13]

Either you knew what was meant (but just couldn't pass up the opportunity to get someone on a technicality) or you just think I'm an idiot.

It was received by me . . . but only after it was delivered by you.

Believe what you like.

I don't believe you're an idiot.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm so glad to get this thing going again.

I missed you guys.

[ElNono]

I'm so glad to get this thing going on.

I missed you guys.

Do you still love RJ? I might not be glad to see you back

[thOOdee]

great to login again on spurstalk! I'm so pumped for the nba to be rollin again....i missed this .

[MaNu4Tres]

Do you still love RJ? I might not be glad to see you back

Never have loved him. Ever.

Just had my opinion and reasons why I understood him being resigned (saving of money and him being the best option available at that point in time).

He never was going to hurt the Spurs rebuilding process (IMO)--and at the same time it was a move to win now.

All that nonsense aside, I can't wait to see what Leonard and Anderson have in store for this year.

[ElNono]

Welcome back

[Ice009]

I wanted RJ gone in the first month of his first season here, I wanted him traded for Sjax, but last season I was willing to give him another chance and actually wanted him to come back as I thought it was probably the best option available over a minimum salary player. I'm sure the Spurs thought the same thing, and it was sound logic at the time, but a minimum salary player would have probably been a better option.

Not sure what direction the Spurs want to go in now as they have a few options to explore.

[ducks]

cutting duncan or manu makes more sence then rj
does anyone really think duncan deservers what he is going to make this year
you could cut him and start over and just tank
let splitter start and build for the future
do you really think the spurs will win a le this year

[DPG21920]

Ducks, shhhh.

[therealtruth]

I think Spurs should also give T-Mac a look. He'll come cheap plus he can play 1-3. SJax is too expensive and Grant Hill's too loyal to Phoenix and not a good 3pt shooter. With the emergence of Neal, Battier's offense is probably adequate.

[DPG21920]

Good call, Bruno. It does appear there will be a bidding system per David Aldridge (unless the poster was lying because I haven't seen it mentioned officially). Makes things a little more interesting.

[ChuckD]

Real talk: The Spurs aren't looking at anyone, unless it's a Gary Neal out of nowhere minimum type person. SA has 12 under contract, minus the anticipated departure of Dice, plus two first rounders they MUST pay guaranteed contracts to. That's 13, and other than playing fill the roster spot like they did last year, they're likely done. They're already looking at the Tax, unless they use the Amnesty on Dice.

[ElNono]

I think Spurs should also give T-Mac a look.

Wow, you're trolling

[Nathan89]

Did the luxury tax line change?