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  1. #26
    we rang stretch's Avatar
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    I see alot of Durant overrating too. The guy is great but you're re ed if you take him over Kobe. He's a chucker, still too weak to beat a tough physical defender, ty passer, average rebounder, average defender, racks up points just using his cheap ass swing move to draw fouls, and in crunch time he lets Russell Westbrook take over games (lmao). What part of that screams "top 5 player"?
    These are my biggest issues. He probably averages 4-6 points a game off of that stupid swing-through move alone. But when he faces physical defenders, he withers and starts chucking bad jumpers even more often than he usually does.

  2. #27
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
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    Huh, are you talking Dwight or KD

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    nobody can possibly say Kobe is better than this bunch:
    Rose
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    Deron


    Kobe is still top 10 I guess.this will probably change this coming season
    Agreed. Although I'd still put Kobe ahead of Deron considering last season & Williams' struggles this off season in Turkey

  4. #29
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    Huh, are you talking Dwight or KD
    wtf are you talking about

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    Yes, Kobe absolutely still is top 5 you ing dumbasses.

    Gosh I can't believe I will actually be somewhat pulling for the Lakers this year. Sick of the Kobe hate. He is going to have a nice season, maybe his best in the past 3-4 years.
    This. I have a feeling he's going to have a beast season, and not just because of the supposedly great knee therapies/operations. He's playing with house money this year--the Heat and Bulls garner most of the attention in the East while the Mavs are the defending champs out West.

    The whole team will come back stronger after last year's embarrassing playoff showing. These are just a couple of the reasons why I think LAL will make it back to the finals this season. I doubt they beat Miami (unless they make a couple moves), but I see them having a great year.

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    Your response to my Dwight has an improved post game comment sounds like a mix of Howard and KD

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    Derrick White fanboy FkLA's Avatar
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    Kobe had a pretty subpar season last year for his standards tbh. His FG% was low even for him and I saw him actually have alittle trouble getting shots off over athletic defenders...age is finally catching up to him and its great to see. I only see that getting worse, I dont see why people expect him to magically turn back the clock.

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    Kobe had a pretty subpar season last year for his standards tbh. His FG% was low even for him and I saw him actually have alittle trouble getting shots off over athletic defenders...age is finally catching up to him and its great to see. I only see that getting worse, I dont see why people expect him to magically turn back the clock.
    The argument is he finally got all his injuries taken care of & he was able to sit around this off season. Plus he'll be more driven to prove the doubters wrong.

    I buy the first part but how can Kobe be more driven. I think he's reached his peak.
    We all watched Game 7 of the 2010 Finals. Guy is declining and quick

  9. #34
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    Your response to my Dwight has an improved post game comment sounds like a mix of Howard and KD
    Oh, I misread Dwight as Durant, haha. I have failed again.

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    As for Howard, I can understand why people would build a team around him, but IMO he is arguably the most overrated player in the NBA. Still has no post game, gets shut down in one-on-one defense, and has no skillsets of use in crunch-time. If I could build a team around Kobe and a very solid center, or Howard and a very solid wing player, I'll take Kobe/solid center all day, as he has won 2 championships with that build (Pau Gasol), while Howard has had multiple solid wing players (Vince Carter, Hedo Turkoglu, Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis), and only has one finals appearance, and got stomped by Kobe and co. in the process.
    I'll still take Kobe over anybody else in the league.
    I see mav s takes havent gotten any better...

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Hm, Durant? Howard?

    I'd certainly take Kobe over a one dimensional scorer who has been locked up in the playoffs in back-to-back years by good defensive players (Artest/Marion), and has a worse shot selection than Kobe has ever had.
    That's true about Durant having bad series vs Dallas/LA, but if you apply that standard to Kobe in his Dallas and Boston series he comes out smelling pretty bad too. I also don't think the shortened season is going to kind to players with lots of mileage like Kobe. If I'm coaching Durant, I know I can depend on a solid 40 minutes a night.

    As for Howard, I can understand why people would build a team around him, but IMO he is arguably the most overrated player in the NBA. Still has no post game, gets shut down in one-on-one defense, and has no skillsets of use in crunch-time. If I could build a team around Kobe and a very solid center, or Howard and a very solid wing player, I'll take Kobe/solid center all day, as he has won 2 championships with that build (Pau Gasol), while Howard has had multiple solid wing players (Vince Carter, Hedo Turkoglu, Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis), and only has one finals appearance, and got stomped by Kobe and co. in the process.
    Saying he has no post-game is a stretch, and he still scores a lot inside cleaning up his team's mistakes. Carter, Turkoglu, Nelson, and Lewis are all 3 point bombers who don't do much else; it's hard to compare their talent levels to a well-rounded big like Gasol.

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    Dwight's post game has DRAMATICALLY improved since he's entered the league IMO. He is no slouch down low and don't confuse the fact he gets a lot of dunks with the notion he has no skill. He is not Hakeem, but he has an array of very effective moves and is a legit threat on the offensive end.

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    Kobe had a pretty subpar season last year for his standards tbh. His FG% was low even for him and I saw him actually have alittle trouble getting shots off over athletic defenders...age is finally catching up to him and its great to see. I only see that getting worse, I dont see why people expect him to magically turn back the clock.
    you

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    That's true about Durant having bad series vs Dallas/LA, but if you apply that standard to Kobe in his Dallas and Boston series he comes out smelling pretty bad too. I also don't think the shortened season is going to kind to players with lots of mileage like Kobe. If I'm coaching Durant, I know I can depend on a solid 40 minutes a night.
    It wasnt just having a bad series. He was flat out locked down and visibly flustered in both series.

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    Dwight's post game has DRAMATICALLY improved since he's entered the league IMO. He is no slouch down low and don't confuse the fact he gets a lot of dunks with the notion he has no skill. He is not Hakeem, but he has an array of very effective moves and is a legit threat on the offensive end.
    Yes he has improved, and is a threat, but (right now) not enough for me to take him over Kobe, Lebron, Wade, or Dirk.

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    It's debatable, but his impact on both ends does it for me.

  17. #42
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    Saying he has no post-game is a stretch, and he still scores a lot inside cleaning up his team's mistakes. Carter, Turkoglu, Nelson, and Lewis are all 3 point bombers who don't do much else; it's hard to compare their talent levels to a well-rounded big like Gasol.
    Also, Lewis is the only one of those guys who is a 3pt bomber that doesn't do much else. VC has always had a very versatile skillset, and Hedo has always had one of the most well rounded games in the NBA (just lacks athetic ability).

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    No trolling, I will not be surprised if the Lakers go out with guns blazing in the first half of the season. The core is still there and that core knows how to win championships together. The biggest question mark is that clown Mike Brown drawing the Xs and Os for the Lakers.

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    It's debatable, but his impact on both ends does it for me.
    He definitely has a great impact on both ends, but hasn't proven he's much of a leader. He still picks up dumb fouls at dumb times, and is rather nonexistent in the clutch.

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    Except against the spurs


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    Kobe had a pretty subpar season last year for his standards tbh. His FG% was low even for him and I saw him actually have alittle trouble getting shots off over athletic defenders...age is finally catching up to him and its great to see. I only see that getting worse, I dont see why people expect him to magically turn back the clock.
    Co sign

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    Except against the spurs

    Ahh the dunk that propelled an everyday ty poster into a trolling legend.

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    LeBron, Wade, Dwight, and Dirk are better right now. If Durant stops letting Westbrook hog the ball at the end of games, I'll put him in the top five, too.

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    Talking about a guy in his 16th season with the mileage he has as a top 10 player is nothing short of amazing!

    All good for us!

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    Was he ever, tbh? I have him penciled in for top 3 all-time coattailer behind Kerr and Horry...

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