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    So who is he going to sign with, dj?
    He could just stay in New Orleans.

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    true. the clips offer before the lakers got involved was kaman aminu and a 1st rounder
    That is still better than LA/HOU deal. Kaman is as good as Scola and expiring so they get cap space. Aminu is a better prospect than anyone NO was getting and the first rounder is much better than the one offered as well.

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    That is still better than LA/HOU deal. Kaman is as good as Scola and expiring so they get cap space. Aminu is a better prospect than anyone NO was getting and the first rounder is much better than the one offered as well.
    You are really stupid.

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    Unless I said HOU was a second seed, than you have no right...

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    LA can't get under the cap next year, at least by using amnesty. I can't see how they can do it.
    That's not really true. It depends who they trade for Howard. If it's Gasol, Bynum is a team option next season. His bum knee acts again, and they can cut him loose and make the cap room. If they have Dwight, they're not going to need a lot more up front.

    It's still too early to tell. But I suspect Paul will have to sit the year in NOH. As Woj was saying, who wants to make a deal with the NBA playing God and CP3 not wanting to extend?

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Unless I said HOU was a second seed, than you have no right...
    You said that letting CP3 walk for nothing was a good idea. That tops the dumbassery of the 2nd seed prediction.

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    Stern won't give a next year.
    Stern gives a because he has a team to sell.

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    You said that letting CP3 walk for nothing was a good idea. That tops the dumbassery of the 2nd seed prediction.
    No. Wrong again. I said letting him walk for nothing was better than the deal with LA/HOU. I am all for them trying to move CP3 and they should. But they shouldn't get worse off because of it.

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    No. Wrong again. I said letting him walk for nothing was better than the deal with LA/HOU. I am all for them trying to move CP3 and they should. But they shouldn't get worse off because of it.
    Which you still don't say how they get worse off. Had the deal been accepted, even if you still don't think they would have been compe ive, the could have flipped odom, scola, martin at the deadline for more pickss.

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    Stern gives a because he has a team to sell.
    Why will Paul going to LA affect the sale of the Hornets? He's a FA next year, he can walk and that clears the books. As an owner, I would want salary space, not to get into contracted role players that were thrown together just to satisfy a trade.

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    Which you still don't say how they get worse off. Had the deal been accepted, even if you still don't think they would have been compe ive, the could have flipped odom, scola, martin at the deadline for more pickss.
    By that logic, couldn't the flip the guys I said as well without the risk of long term financial obligations all the while starting off with a better first round pick?

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    By that logic, couldn't the flip the guys I said as well without the risk of long term financial obligations all the while starting off with a better first round pick?
    A better first round pick doesn't equate to a good player at that pick, he could be a complete bust. You would be better off with multiple first round pics instead of one.

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    Why will Paul going to LA affect the sale of the Hornets? He's a FA next year, he can walk and that clears the books. As an owner, I would want salary space, not to get into contracted role players that were thrown together just to satisfy a trade.
    No, I'm talking about another The Decision special where a star players s on the small market team and heads to a big market.

    I mean, look at this player movement right now. It's all big markets wheeling and dealing. And it's not like small market teams don't have the cap space.

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    You can always flip a bad contract at the deadline because teams are desperate enough and will overpay

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    You can flip good contracts much easier.

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    No, I'm talking about another The Decision special where a star players s on the small market team and heads to a big market.

    I mean, look at this player movement right now. It's all big markets wheeling and dealing. And it's not like small market teams don't have the cap space.
    There are plenty of teams wheeling and dealing. They only talk about the stars though. No star wants to come to SA or any other small market. Why would they?

    It's not going to change as long as players can become free agents. Teams have to become desirable places for stars to land, but that won't happen when the biggest factor is the hole city in which the team resides.

    It's the nature of the beast. You cannot get parity in a free will system.

    The onus is also on the drafting team. When you get a really good 1st overall pick, put some damn talent around him and he might stay.

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    You can always flip a bad contract at the deadline because teams are desperate enough and will overpay
    I will remember that with RJ.

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    There are plenty of teams wheeling and dealing. They only talk about the stars though. No star wants to come to SA or any other small market. Why would they?

    It's not going to change as long as players can become free agents. Teams have to become desirable places for stars to land, but that won't happen when the biggest factor is the hole city in which the team resides.

    It's the nature of the beast. You cannot get parity in a free will system.
    But that was the point of the 6 month charade we just went through. That players wouldn't be able to strangle teams and pick destinations, that big market teams wouldn't be able to pull as much weight around, parity and all that baloney.

    And Stern cares because he has to sell a small market team somehow, while top talent making it patently clear they won't to play or stay there.

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    The onus is also on the drafting team. When you get a really good 1st overall pick, put some damn talent around him and he might stay.
    What talent? The one that doesn't want to go to your small market?

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    What talent? The one that doesn't want to go to your small market?
    The Hornets could have attracted talent when they were compe ive. , the Spurs managed to find Ginobili, Parker, Barry, Bowen, Horry, Finley, etc... Surely the Hornets when they had Chandler, Paul, West and Peja could find some decent help other than Jarret Jack. Also, as things dwindled, they didn't even have an owner.

    People buy teams with the knowledge that they have to build. They get some decent 1st overall pick and they start collecting the money right away, and the pick gets tired of playing with role players and moves on.

    Had Lebron won a ring in Cleveland, he stays there. Had Paul even made the Finals in New Orleans, he stays.

    The Spurs did it, other teams can. I know we got two 1st overall picks but they were like 10 years apart. We have found and developed a great deal of talent, and we are always compe ive.

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    Bottom line is we will just have to wait and see. I've said my take on it (more than once ) and we will see how it shakes out. This is my opinion and I'll either look like an idiot or a genius. Let's see what happens if they can agree to a trade that goes through, or what happens if they just get cap space.

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    The Hornets could have attracted talent when they were compe ive. , the Spurs managed to find Ginobili, Parker, Barry, Bowen, Horry, Finley, etc...
    Gino and Parker were draft pickups. Finley you can easily say was chasing a ring. Barry and Horry joined up when the Spurs were already dominant and had multiple rings. Bowen is the only one you could say that came over when Tim was still on his rookie deal, but he was far from a top FA.

    Frankly, the Spurs were on a different situation because they still had DRob around.

    Surely the Hornets when they had Chandler, Paul, West and Peja could find some decent help other than Jarret Jack. Also, as things dwindled, they didn't even have an owner.

    People buy teams with the knowledge that they have to build. They get some decent 1st overall pick and they start collecting the money right away, and the pick gets tired of playing with role players and moves on.
    It's not just that. Endorsements matter. And with salaries contracting, they matter even more. The big market will always pay better.

    Had Lebron won a ring in Cleveland, he stays there. Had Paul even made the Finals in New Orleans, he stays.
    I just disagree with this. You don't have to look farther than Tyson Chandler who just won a ring with Dallas (not a small market) and jumped to NY.

    It's all about money and super-teams these days, seemingly.

    The Spurs did it, other teams can. I know we got two 1st overall picks but they were like 10 years apart. We have found and developed a great deal of talent, and we are always compe ive.
    We had a very rare breed in Duncan. A low key guy that runs away from the spotlight. He's the exception, not the rule.

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    I mean, , I hear Bynum ing about wanting his own team while he's playing for the Lakers next to a great like Gasol, and a couple of talented coattailers like MWP and Kobe. Instead of being grateful, he's whining.

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    That's not really true. It depends who they trade for Howard. If it's Gasol, Bynum is a team option next season. His bum knee acts again, and they can cut him loose and make the cap room. If they have Dwight, they're not going to need a lot more up front.

    It's still too early to tell. But I suspect Paul will have to sit the year in NOH. As Woj was saying, who wants to make a deal with the NBA playing God and CP3 not wanting to extend?
    suspect if the clips just offer the minesotta pick they'll accept it (stern). it adds no money, provides the new owner of the possiblity of a first overall pick, they might even rig the lottery for it. and take kaman aminu. i know they dont want to give up gordon because paul is more likely to stay if he has talent around him but man you gotta pay gordon and paul next year and blake still has the max coming after. jordan is gone

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    Gino and Parker were draft pickups. Finley you can easily say was chasing a ring. Barry and Horry joined up when the Spurs were already dominant and had multiple rings. Bowen is the only one you could say that came over when Tim was still on his rookie deal, but he was far from a top FA.
    Exactly my point. The Spurs made good players better, and found diamonds late into the draft and internationally. Why can New Orleans find anyone decent? Maybe being 24th on the team salary explains a lot of it.
    Frankly, the Spurs were on a different situation because they still had DRob around.
    Sure, but they are still competing. That's my point. Neal, Hill, Blair, Anderson, all these guys are better than people thought they would be, and no one even thought of Gary Neal.

    Other small markets want to have a champagne operation on a beer budget but you have to have more savvy to operate in a small market and remain profitable/compe ive.

    Sorry, it's a rich man's game and I don't buy that it's "unfair".
    It's not just that. Endorsements matter. And with salaries contracting, they matter even more. The big market will always pay better.
    That's what the salary cap and increased penalties/revenue sharing is supposed to help control. It's never going to make players want to play in Minnesota however.
    I just disagree with this. You don't have to look farther than Tyson Chandler who just won a ring with Dallas (not a small market) and jumped to NY.
    He did, but Cuban didn't really want him around for that money anyhow. It's a business first, entertainment second. TC is not overrated as far as his impact to Dallas, but he's overrated as far as his individual ability as a center. He will make NY better, but he's not worth what he wanted.

    A guy wins a ring, is told he was the difference maker and suddenly he wants more money. It's not uncommon.
    It's all about money and super-teams these days, seemingly.



    We had a very rare breed in Duncan. A low key guy that runs away from the spotlight. He's the exception, not the rule.
    This is true, but small markets that try to manage like large markets aren't doing themselves any favors. Who is Dan Gilbert going to get to work for him? No one. Phil Jackson writes a book attacking Kobe and he's invited back and they win 2 rings together. That would never happen in a small market, mostly because no one would read the book, because big name coaches would never go there, and because big name players would never team up there.

    It's how the NBA is. At least we aren't dealing with back 2 back threepeats every other cycle.

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