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This is pretty much spot on.
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it's a good thing in a lot of ways. i've already dropped the "manu getting injured once a year" rule in another post so i won't go into detail about that, but more importantly this team has to learn how to win without manu. he's 34 years old. he ain't gonna be around for much longer, especially if he keeps getting injured every single season. and as some people are saying, it forces other players to step up. JA is the guy i want to see emerge. once he starts playing with confidence, he's gonna be a killer.
this team has a ridiculous amount of talent that can produce this year. now that the manu crutch has been taken away, we'll see what happens. whether they stand on their own or fall, it's totally up to them.
I've been reading most of the post here, a lot of people are arguing for tanking the season in light of Manu's injury. While I admit that is both an extreme reaction to the turn of events and simplier said than done to realize any actual benefits (e.g getting a higher pick), there is indeed merit to start thinking about the future without the big 3. If anything the Kawhi - Hill trade is a clear indication that the Spurs are already thinking pass the big 3. I posted a new thread a few weeks ago stating that the Spurs are officially in transition. While some might argue we're not yet done. at the very least it's a forgone conclusion that as far as the big 3 is concerned it's simply a matter of time. If not this year defiently by next.
Let's not fool ourselves the window is closed and has been for some time now. That doesn't necessary mean there are no positives on going as deep into the playoffs as you possible can. And it certainly does not call for tanking the season , especially with the big 3 around.
But the question then is how do we go about rebuilding for the future, and maybe that also means without having to go rock bottom and stink. Now before we get all these wild ideas of trading whoever (Big 3 etc). I think at this point Duncan is untoucable in terms of a trade, While Manu is virtually almost impossible. (highly unlikely). Tony..while unlikely to be traded is still within realm of remotely possible. (his trade value had diminished however)
One thing to note, the Spurs historically have never really built their team using FA or Trades, they have primarily relied on the draft ( I'm not counting trading for draft picks) , Whether this remains to be true or is still the most strategic thing to do is still up in the air. however let's face it SA is not a prime destination as far as FA and players wanting to play here.
A lot of people sight how we tanked to get TD. While it is a good story to tell. let's be realistic that is almost impossible to replicate or plan for. Given how good FO is , I really don't see a scenario where we will ever be in the bottom 5 teams in the leaque, certainly not in the next 5 years. I actaualy would liken us to the rival lakers as far as tradition to be decently good. Especially after the winning culture Pop and TD instilled. However I do see us being able to trade up in future drafts to around 5-10. ( If it's worth anything the lakers drafted Bynum and Kobe pass top 8.) While one might argue they both came straight out of high school ,its not totally out of the realm of possibility that we draft a young kid from overseas and bring him in as a rookie 1 or 2 years later who eventually becomes an all star.
While it is highly possible that we never see a ring again (in the next 15 years or so) I do think we can be in the playoff mix even right after TD and Manu retire without going through a phase of going rock bottom. ( we can still play at a level where the Blazers and Denver are now and not go totally to the bottom like where Utah is today.
The Spurs need to stop drafting and stashing talent overseas that never helps the team. Then when that talent eventually gets here they either trade him (Scola) for a bag of peanuts or decide he's not good enough (Mahinmi).
Samaki Walker end up been a great player. That TD injury was key
Just like Duncan's injury in 2000!
Well the Spurs can in theory pull a Bulls and post a 33-49 decent-ish record then turn their 1.7% chance into a 1st pick
+1 it takes a lot of luck to build a contender through draft.Well the Spurs can in theory pull a Bulls and post a 33-49 decent-ish record then turn their 1.7% chance into a 1st pick
Im trying to figure out when the Spurs have actually had to "rebuild", they have made the playoffs something like 80% of the time since joining the nba. This in my humble homer opinion is pretty solid.
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There was a dry 3-4 year period between when Ice was traded (85) , and David actually showed up (89). Spurs have the second highest win percentage in NBA history.
As long as Duncan, Manu, and TP are all on the squad, then there is no need to rebuild. Those 3 have led the Spurs to numerous consecutive playoffs. The window isn't completely shut yet. The West has many of issues right now so the Spurs aren't completely out of it yet. SA hasn't had a healthy big 3 going into the playoffs since 07. We all know Manu always gets hurt at some point of the season, so better to get it out of the way now.
The problem that I see with drafting a player that turns out to be a superstar with a high pick is that the trend for the superstar is to hold the team that drafted him hostage by refusing to re-sign and demanding a trade to what ever team he wants to play for. We are lucky that David and Tim were loyal and stayed in the silver and black instead of pulling a Carmelo Anthony or a Chris Paul.Well the Spurs can in theory pull a Bulls and post a 33-49 decent-ish record then turn their 1.7% chance into a 1st pick
You can always rebuild. Rebuilding usually doesn't work. The majority of NBA teams have been rebuilding for decades and never won a single championship.
Hang on for dear life.
It's wonderful news imo!
our best player broke his hand, what is good about that?
He's out 6-8 weeks is the official word from Pop. Needs surgery.
I think JA is much better than he has shown. Hopefully with Manu out he gets a chance to show it.
to answer the question posed in the thread le: No.
If we somehow reel off a 20-10 record in the games that he's out then it could absolutely be a good thing. Although that's unlikely. We'll see though.
No.
Manu's injury means more wear and tear on TD and TP (who already looks worn out from summer play). The rest of the team is a bunch of chokers (RJ, Bonner), undersized (Blair, Ike?), and newbies (Splitter, JA, Leonard, Neal, TJ, Green). Making the playoffs will be a near miracle - considering how long it usually takes Manu to get into a groove. IIRC, last time (2010) it took him from the beginning of the season till ASB.
IMO, the smart thing to do is play normal minutes (don't extend TD and TP trying to win games), let the young'uns have lots of playing time, see what the record is when Manu comes back and if it's not good, tank hard since it's a good draft year.
Most logical post I've read on this forum.
Pop isn't going to play TD anymore then he would with Manu in the lineup. Just watch. That argument is irrelevant. Tony can handle the extra minutes unlike Manu.
The most logical post you have seen on this site declares the Spurs making the playoffs a miracle?
I see.
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