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    how do you coordinate an evacuation in complete darkness and in a tipped over boat? I would like to know.

    Again, the captain was incompetent but I disagree he should be the only responsible one here.

    the crew should be just as responsible as the engineer of the boat. How the you build a 1/2 billion dollar boat and it tips over at the most minimal collision?
    Company goes under you blame the CEO. Ship goes down, you blame the captain. It doesn't matter who's partially responsible... the captain is responsible, period.

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    The captain no longer has to survey the land? So he's not to blame for crashing into the reef or rocks or land or whatever he crashed into?
    What if the wonderful technology we rely on today was on the fritz?

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    blaming the captain is class warfare.
    I wonder where Tennille was?

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    Nah, since his actions were those of someone drunk, it stands to reason that he is an alcoholic. Then if he's an alcoholic, he's probably been in AA and believes in the higher power.
    i like to believe in a lower power myself... hail...

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    Food for thought on this issue:

    In Ship Accident's Wake, Scrutiny Turns To Captain

    It is possible the captain didn't do anything wrong.

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    Food for thought on this issue:

    In Ship Accident's Wake, Scrutiny Turns To Captain

    It is possible the captain didn't do anything wrong.

    it's more of a violation of custom. the captain was in charge of his ship, and he should have went down with it. i dont mean as in drowning with it, but he should have been the last one off the ship, including the bodies.

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    it's more of a violation of custom. the captain was in charge of his ship, and he should have went down with it. i dont mean as in drowning with it, but he should have been the last one off the ship, including the bodies.
    I understand the Hollywood sentiment. Let's be real for a moment. Anymore, is a Captain of a cruise ship much more than a figurehead? He didn't require moving up through the tanks of military training. It's a civilian ship. He wasn't the expert in evacuation techniques.

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    he knew the anatomy of his ship as well as anyone else

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    The Captain did a fly by too close to the Island, a maneuver not approved for safety reasons by the cruise line and some of you are questioning if the Captain of the ship was even at fault for the disaster?…This thread has become a pool of ignorance…

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-disaster.html

    Cruise disaster: Costa Concordia captain’s route change blamed for disaster

    The captain of the Costa Concordia was accused of “inexcusable” recklessness last night after it emerged that he steered too close to shore to come within sight of his head waiter’s family home on the island of Giglio.

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    "oh look, i can see my house from here!" - famous last words

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    WC is nothing if not consistent I'll give him that.

    Explain this to me, if the captain serves no purpose other than looking pretty, who the is in charge of coordinating an evacuation in case like this happens??

    what's that? you don't know? you know why you don't know? because its so ing obvious you probably missed it. ITS THE CAPTAINS JOB!! Its always been the captain's job.

    Let me ask you a question WC, do you purposely spew bull around all day or is it some kind of masterful troll job you've been pulling on us unsuspecting forum folk for the past however many years??

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    It is possible the captain didn't do anything.
    Exactly! He should be tarred and feathered imho

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    This article addressed a few of the things I was wondering about http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/travel...senger-safety/. An excerpt:


    Passengers first, then crew, then captain

    In addition to the United Nations agency, a ship is subject to the laws of the country whose flag it flies, often called "flag administration." The ship may also be subject to the laws of a country where it stops. (The Concordia didn't stop in U.S. ports carrying U.S. passengers, which means it wasn't subject to U.S. Coast Guard regulations, according to Brad Schoenwald, senior marine inspector of the U.S. Coast Guard's Cruise Ship National Center of Expertise.)

    In the Concordia case, the laws of Italy also apply. Schettino may face charges including manslaughter, shipwreck and abandoning a ship when passengers were still on board, chief prosecutor Francesco Verusio said. Abandoning ship is a maritime crime that has been on the books for centuries in Spain, Greece and Italy, according to Alessandra Batassa, a lawyer in Rome, although many other countries have long abandoned it.

    Although U.S. law doesn't single out abandoning ship as a crime, it's a longtime maritime tradition that the captain be the last one off a sinking ship, according to maritime law professor Craig Allen, visiting professor of law at Yale University Law School and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.

    "If you're going to be master of a ship, your responsibility is first to your passengers, second to your crew, then you look after yourself," said Allen, a Coast Guard veteran. "It's shameless and dishonorable [for the captain] to take himself out of the mix like that."

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    He changed course so his sister could see the ship. At least that's what she tweeted right before he collided.

    Hang him!

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    He changed course so his sister could see the ship. At least that's what she tweeted right before he collided.

    Hang him!
    Was she the head waiter on the ship? I read on MSNBC, so it must be true, that the head waiter wanted to wave o to her family and that's why the ship was were it was when it crashed. I found it amazing that this ship was bigger than the anic. It had more people than the anic and weighed almost twice as much as the anic.

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    I can't believe he was solely responsible. There has to be co-captains, navigation officers involved in diverging from the route.

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    how do you coordinate an evacuation in complete darkness and in a tipped over boat? I would like to know.

    Again, the captain was incompetent but I disagree he should be the only responsible one here.

    the crew should be just as responsible as the engineer of the boat. How the you build a 1/2 billion dollar boat and it tips over at the most minimal collision?
    For the first three hours after they hit the rock, the ship wasn't in darkness and wasn't tipped over.

    From about two hours after it ran aground:



    Here's another photo that was taken after the captain had already abandoned ship:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/....html#photo=77

    That's what he's getting ripped for.

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    I may actually be able to afford a cruise this summer thanks to this classless asshole captain.

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    So from the photo it looks as though the lighthouse ran into the ship…This story keeps unfolding…

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    Let me ask you a question WC, do you purposely spew bull around all day or is it some kind of masterful troll job you've been pulling on us unsuspecting forum folk for the past however many years??
    I'll answer you this way.

    My personal opinion is they guy should go to jail, for a long time. However, I think a serious investigation as to the cruise line operating practices are in order too. I think he was flat out wrong in his actions, but I don't know the law in this case.

    I've pointed out before that sometimes I bring up a point of view that isn't being observed. just as food for thought.

    I do hope the laws put him in jail. For a long, long time.

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    Fact is he ordered that the ship passes the island at close distance to greet someone.
    Fact is he left the ship when he should have coordinated everything.
    Fact is he just told the media that he tripped, fell into a rescue boat and had no chance to go on board of the ship again.

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    I'll answer you this way.

    My personal opinion is they guy should go to jail, for a long time. However, I think a serious investigation as to the cruise line operating practices are in order too. I think he was flat out wrong in his actions, but I don't know the law in this case.

    I've pointed out before that sometimes I bring up a point of view that isn't being observed. just as food for thought.

    I do hope the laws put him in jail. For a long, long time.
    Fair enough

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    Fact is he ordered that the ship passes the island at close distance to greet someone.
    Fact is he left the ship when he should have coordinated everything.
    Fact is he just told the media that he tripped, fell into a rescue boat and had no chance to go on board of the ship again.
    Did he really say the third one? ROFL. Did the crew that abandoned ship with him say the same thing?

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    This article addressed a few of the things I was wondering about http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/17/travel...senger-safety/. An excerpt:


    Passengers first, then crew, then captain

    In addition to the United Nations agency, a ship is subject to the laws of the country whose flag it flies, often called "flag administration." The ship may also be subject to the laws of a country where it stops. (The Concordia didn't stop in U.S. ports carrying U.S. passengers, which means it wasn't subject to U.S. Coast Guard regulations, according to Brad Schoenwald, senior marine inspector of the U.S. Coast Guard's Cruise Ship National Center of Expertise.)

    In the Concordia case, the laws of Italy also apply. Schettino may face charges including manslaughter, shipwreck and abandoning a ship when passengers were still on board, chief prosecutor Francesco Verusio said. Abandoning ship is a maritime crime that has been on the books for centuries in Spain, Greece and Italy, according to Alessandra Batassa, a lawyer in Rome, although many other countries have long abandoned it.

    Although U.S. law doesn't single out abandoning ship as a crime, it's a longtime maritime tradition that the captain be the last one off a sinking ship, according to maritime law professor Craig Allen, visiting professor of law at Yale University Law School and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.

    "If you're going to be master of a ship, your responsibility is first to your passengers, second to your crew, then you look after yourself," said Allen, a Coast Guard veteran. "It's shameless and dishonorable [for the captain] to take himself out of the mix like that."
    going off of this then the captain is ed and deservedly so for being such a pussy

    i don't think the rest of the crew is getting enough from the public and media tho, the second/third/etc in command need to do some time as well seeing as they're all responsible for putting tons of civilians lives at risk by leaving them to fend for themselves

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