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    the war on terror, the war in afghanistan didnt solve or whatever it is america wanted to solve....the puppet govt in afghanistan will be overthrown when america pulls out....dunno why the coalition even went into there just to hunt one guy when the guy was living it up in pakistan...

    if you say america solved its objectives and won the war, then you fail....the 16trillion debt says otherwise
    Never said we solved our objectives. I also don't believe in a "war on terrorism". Don't get me started on how the war in Afghanistan was run. If only Obama was president back then Osama would have been killed a week after 9/11 and that would have been the end of it. And the $16 trillion was not caused solely by the "war on terror". The Bush tax cuts should at least get equal blame for that debacle.

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    No, because the Taliban did not orchestrate 9/11. Al Queda did. Furthermore, if the Taliban would have handed over Osama Bin Laden we would not have invaded them. Prior to the debacle we were actually friendly with the Taliban. You could call the attack a preemptive strike from Al Queda if you wish, but you should note they would not make that claim. They claim the attack was in response to our presence in the middle east and our support of Israel.

    Your comparison is fatally flawed. The government of Iran wants Israel destroyed, not a terrorist group within Iran. Their president made those statements. This is a matter of public record. When you openly state in the digital age that you want to wipe a country off the map, people take notice. And if said statements are about Israel, they do not just take notice, they take action.
    I hear what you are saying & definitely think it's the ole whose ever shades your viewing it from.

    I think the line of per-emptive strikes is a very dangerous one. You cannot attack nations based on rumors & threats made in the past. Isn't the Cuban Missile Crisis the old lesson?

    I would greatly fear for my life in the United States if Israel attacked Iran. I think we would rightfully be included in the blame & outrage.

    Bottomline: Iran is respected old nation in the ME. We tried ing with their government in the past with the Coup and it backfired in our face. This is a sleeping giant, that is all talk right now dealing with their own inner issues. Ultimately when did North Korea or Iraq make a move on the US? That's 0-2 for Bush's Axis of Evil.

    This isn't Iraq. 3-times the size & actual suicide/religious freaks

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    an all out war in the middle east doesnt benefit anyone unless you own oil stocks...

    other then that most of american allies in the region are not equipped or have any form of missle defence systems if iran and its funded terrorist groups start spamming missles out of control....i see those neighboring allie countrys stayin put and doing nothing, just to protect their own interest then to make another enemy......

    winning the war while gaining more arab haters? who will end up being terrorist who have nothing to lose will sacrificed their own life for the greater cause...so how is israeli going to win the next war if it becomes putting army personnel on the ground? hide behind coalition forces?

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    lol we wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan if the taliban had handed bin laden over.

    Just like we never blew Libya to because we were friends with Ghadaffi.

    The govt. decided it was time to start blowing the out of the middle east. the rest was just details.

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    2012 !

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    They just need to get it on. It's all coming anyway. Might as well push the first domino.

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    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226262330621

    SUPREME leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has warned Washington that Iran would respond to any strikes on its nuclear program, saying the consequences would be "10 times more detrimental" for the US.

    "In future too, we will support and help everyone who opposes the Zionist regime," he said. "The Zionist regime is a real cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut."

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    http://www.theage.com.au/world/new-i...203-1qxpp.html

    IRAN is developing a missile capable of hitting the east coast of the US, according to an Israeli government minister, intensifying Western anxiety over the Tehran regime's nuclear ambitions.
    stiring the pot of , nothing new here

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    Just let Israel and Iran blow each other up and stay the out of it.
    This. If they both go down, it's win-win for the rest of the world.

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    But seriously, it's not gonna happen

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    If Iran, a formal recognized government with a formal recognized standing Army, ever attacked the US, it would be their last action on this planet.

    They may have balls and talk a big game, but I am quite sure the self-preservation instinct would prevail.

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    It is now just a matter of time.

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    Lose-Lose situation for America

    They better get Israel in line or else we will be rightfully so blamed. We attacked Iraq because they MAYBE supplied terrorist and we OPENLY supply Israeli radicals.
    I thought Panetta did a pretty good job of doing that yesterday when
    he made the announcement. I am sure at Obama's direction. Nothing
    like letting the enemy know what is about the happen.

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    was yesterday the first day you heard about it?

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    Show as in another bull Israeli pre-emptive strike like the 7-days war?
    8 days war

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    In the 6-days War the first strike was taken by Israel and I believe they blew up the entire Egypt Air Force with the strike

    Damn. It's losing days by each post!

    Do you know how many countries were simultaneously threatening Israel at the time????

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    how many days?

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    what happened on day 4?

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    Last edited by Agloco; 02-04-2012 at 04:49 PM.

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    Must you use such a large graphic?

    Couldn't you have used or made a reduced picture, and linked the larger one?

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    Must you use such a large graphic?

    Couldn't you have used or made a reduced picture, and linked the larger one?
    My bad, didn't realize it was that large.

    At any rate this was only a 23kt yield.

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    My bad, didn't realize it was that large.

    At any rate this was only a 23kt yield.
    Kind of small. I was in the military nuclear theater from 1986 to 1992. We did some pretty interesting computations of the probably blast areas, wind carrying radiation, etc. It wasn't real in depth, but enough to have some good intermediate knowledge.

    The nuclear hardened radio equipment I was a "parts changer" on was pretty sweet stuff. One of the locations I worked on, we dubbed "the antenna farm." Here is one satellite shot:


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    Don't know if you know this, but you can link that larger graphic to the smaller. Use the (URL=link to large picture)(IMG)small picture(/IMG)(/URL)

    [ and ] of course instead of ( and ).

    That was a cool pic. You should put the link back.

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    Where is the proof that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons? And even if they are who are we to say they can't, Israel has 300 nukes, Iran has 0. The real threat is Israel & the zionist heads. We should just further isolate Israel, Obama should get tough & tell them don't do it or you're on your own. You'll see that they don't have the balls to attack Iran without the U.S holding their hands.

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    Where is the proof that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons? And even if they are who are we to say they can't, Israel has 300 nukes, Iran has 0. The real threat is Israel & the zionist heads. We should just further isolate Israel, Obama should get tough & tell them don't do it or you're on your own. You'll see that they don't have the balls to attack Iran without the U.S holding their hands.
    Europe agrees with this post 100%

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    Damn. It's losing days by each post!

    Do you know how many countries were simultaneously threatening Israel at the time????
    Doesn't change the fact Israel started the war.

    Just because we teach bull flawed history in this country, doesn't change the reality or perspective from the rest of the world

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