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    true believers, disillusioned?
    True believers? Not exactly... Both were in the circle of professionals that pushed the liberal dogma to which they became devoted. The had access to the information that would have never allowed them to be duped -- but, out of a religious devotion and zealotry for the "progressive pap" being spewed about the respective subjects over which they wielded some modi of influence, they mindlessly perpetuated the lies.

    They don't have the luxury of being "disillusioned." They are useful idiots who were willing to sell their souls, ignore all evidence contrary to their narratives, to advance a cause that has less to do with environmentalism/healthcare than government control.

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    No credit for speaking out now? They're still dupes in your mind, even though you're propping yourself up on them?

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    lol serious debate

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    Mike Powell is impressed with that leap.

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    Cap and Trade.
    Solyndra.
    Draconian retrofitting costs shutting down coal-fueled power plants.
    UN Sponsored global warming initiative into which we pour money.
    Loss of jobs by restricting drilling.
    Keystone pipeline.

    The list is long on how government is driving a stake in the heart of our national economy in the name of reducing greenhouse gases.

    Pursuing inefficient and non-viable alternative energy sources is probably the biggest boondoggle but, there are other policies, enacted in the name of reducing CO2, that are just plain putting other people out of business.

    And, RG, being logged into a forum does not mean someone is sitting in front of the screen looking at it.
    As for being logged in: Fair enough and sorry for the implication you were ignoring it because you weren't interested in serious conversation.


    A laundry list of things you don't like and outrages-du-jour is not really any kind of quantification of the effects on the economy from cutting CO2 emissions.

    Public policies always have costs and benefits, and these can be measured or estimated.

    If one considers one side of the equation without considering the other side, that does not make for good decisions.

    Is that what you want us to do when it comes to regulating or not regulating CO2?

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    They are useful idiots who were willing to sell their souls, ignore all evidence contrary to their narratives, to advance a cause

    You have little room to criticize anyone for this, given the fact that I cannot remember you demonstrating the intellectual honesty required to admit weaknesses in any narrative you are attempting to advance.

    I have occasionally, if memory serves, seen you have the humility required to admit factual mistakes, but never once can I remember you admitting that anything you believe in or assert is less than ironclad fact.

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    Cracker for Cain!

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    You have little room to criticize anyone for this, given the fact that I cannot remember you demonstrating the intellectual honesty required to admit weaknesses in any narrative you are attempting to advance.
    Your failure to note an example notwithstanding, I'm not a voting member of Congress whose "yea" vote was THE crucial vote to push that piece of crap "we've-got-to-pass-it-to-know-what's-in-it" ObamaCare legislation through to a patsy Senate and I'm not a prestigious professor charged with reviewing IPCC global warming do ents who failed to engage critical thinking for approximately a decade before realizing "Oh ! This is a bunch of bull ," so, my intransigence on any point is pretty meaningless.

    Theirs' on the other hand, has been consequential.

    I have occasionally, if memory serves, seen you have the humility required to admit factual mistakes, but never once can I remember you admitting that anything you believe in or assert is less than ironclad fact.
    Such as?

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    He's here to debate seriously!

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    Cracker for Cain!
    Stop showing your racist tenancies please.

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    Your failure to note an example notwithstanding, I'm not a voting member of Congress whose "yea" vote was THE crucial vote to push that piece of crap "we've-got-to-pass-it-to-know-what's-in-it" ObamaCare legislation through to a patsy Senate and I'm not a prestigious professor charged with reviewing IPCC global warming do ents who failed to engage critical thinking for approximately a decade before realizing "Oh ! This is a bunch of bull ," so, my intransigence on any point is pretty meaningless.

    Theirs' on the other hand, has been consequential.


    Such as?
    That didn't really answer my question.

    Do you think costs AND benefits should be considered when setting public policy? A simple yes or no will do.

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    Stop showing your racist tenancies please.
    That's what yoni called himself tbh.

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    Stop showing your racist tenancies please.
    yoni called himself a cracker for cain, dumbass

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    Stop showing your racist tenancies please.
    I was quoting Yoni.

    What's a racist tenancy? Some land owned by racists?

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    I was quoting Yoni.

    What's a racist tenancy? Some land owned by racists?
    But he's white. He can say it. You aren't. You aren't allowed to.

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    But he's white. He can say it. You aren't. You aren't allowed to.
    He's a cracker for Cain!

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    But he's white. He can say it. You aren't. You aren't allowed to.
    I'm not allowed to quote him? Says who?

    What's a racist tenancy?

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    As for being logged in: Fair enough and sorry for the implication you were ignoring it because you weren't interested in serious conversation.


    A laundry list of things you don't like and outrages-du-jour is not really any kind of quantification of the effects on the economy from cutting CO2 emissions.

    Public policies always have costs and benefits, and these can be measured or estimated.

    If one considers one side of the equation without considering the other side, that does not make for good decisions.

    Is that what you want us to do when it comes to regulating or not regulating CO2?
    Coal and petroleum are effective, efficient, and readily available fuels. Trying to shift to ineffective, inefficient, and unreliable "renewable" energy schemes for the sake of reducing CO2, cannot be good for the economy.

    Coal plants are shutting down because they cannot meet draconian regulations designed to force them out of business; pipeline jobs evaporate and the oil it would have delivered is shipped to the coast of Canada on Warren Buffet rails to be sold to the Chinese; Gulf drilling rigs are floated off to friendlier waters while other countries continue to drill and pump oil out of the gulf; , the ing EPA has designated our exhalation, a gas crucial for photosynthesis and the production of Oxygen, the stuff we inhale, a toxin to be controlled and reduced -- based on what is turning out to be a farce.

    How expensive do you think that's going to turn out to be?

    Meanwhile, our government literally pours money down renewable energy schemes that don't seem to be producing any meaningful results except for lining the pockets of executives that have questionable ties to the administration that gave them the money they squandered.

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    lol draconian

    People like breathing. It's a fact.

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    I'm not allowed to quote him? Says who?

    What's a racist tenancy?
    That is I were to quote someone saying the "N" word without putting it in context?

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    That is I were to quote someone saying the "N" word without putting it in context?
    It's a thread started by Yoni... Seeing you had no idea what I was talking about, the least you could've done is ask about the context...

    What's a racist tenancy?

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    But he's white. He can say it. You aren't. You aren't allowed to.
    Dear lord just when i think you cannot say anything more inane and classless.

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    What's a racist tenancy?
    i would tell you, but i'm not sure of the color of your skin.

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    Coal and petroleum are effective, efficient, and readily available fuels. Trying to shift to ineffective, inefficient, and unreliable "renewable" energy schemes for the sake of reducing CO2, cannot be good for the economy.

    Coal plants are shutting down because they cannot meet draconian regulations designed to force them out of business; pipeline jobs evaporate and the oil it would have delivered is shipped to the coast of Canada on Warren Buffet rails to be sold to the Chinese; Gulf drilling rigs are floated off to friendlier waters while other countries continue to drill and pump oil out of the gulf; , the ing EPA has designated our exhalation, a gas crucial for photosynthesis and the production of Oxygen, the stuff we inhale, a toxin to be controlled and reduced -- based on what is turning out to be a farce.

    How expensive do you think that's going to turn out to be?

    Meanwhile, our government literally pours money down renewable energy schemes that don't seem to be producing any meaningful results except for lining the pockets of executives that have questionable ties to the administration that gave them the money they squandered.
    That doesn't really answer my simple question, yet again.
    If you aren't going to answer it can you at least have the courtesy to say so?

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