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    kidding aside - this isn't impossible:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=6qom8pd

    2 words for Utah - veteran leadership
    It's most certainly impossible. I can't tell if you're trolling or not. No one wants Jefferson's contract to begin with and the only player of real value they're getting back is Blair. Throw Parker in that deal and I bet they'd still decline it.

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7eg7z9l

    Do they take it; if not, why? Jefferson's contract? Harris' contract is even worse for his production level at the moment.

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7eg7z9l

    Do they take it; if not, why? Jefferson's contract? Harris' contract is even worse for his production level at the moment.
    The correct question is why would they take it? The answer to that question is: no reason at all.

    Look at the direction of all of Utah's personnel decisions in the last 12 months. The trade you propose goes in the opposite direction.

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    I remember when these sorts of threads castigated the Spurs for not pulling the trigger on hypothetical deals to get Stromile Swift.

    Good times.

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    The correct question is why would they take it? The answer to that question is: no reason at all.

    Look at the direction of all of Utah's personnel decisions in the last 12 months. The trade you propose goes in the opposite direction.
    It's 2 veterans for 2 veterans and they add Blair, a nice young player.

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    It's 2 veterans for 2 veterans and they add Blair, a nice young player.
    Look harder. You're smarter than Pop and RC, you'll figure it out.

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    Well you see he hasn't thought about money, caps, waived players or expiring contracts... Things like that also play into personal decisions.

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    Look harder. You're smarter than Pop and RC, you'll figure it out.
    As I said, it's 2 vets for 2 vets and they add Blair, who is a nice young player. This also allows more playing time and development for Favors/Kanter and gives them an all-star at point guard again. Jefferson also could be a really nice player in the right system as well. Probably not Utah's system, but he's still a good player.

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    Well you see he hasn't thought about money, caps, waived players or expiring contracts... Things like that also play into personal decisions.
    The salaries work. I'm not saying they take it, but it's a fair trade for both teams.

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    The salaries work. I'm not saying they take it, but it's a fair trade for both teams.
    I think you've come up with one of the few trade ideas that both teams wouldn't want to do.

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    I think you've come up with one of the few trade ideas that both teams wouldn't want to do.
    You need to start elaborating, because I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

    The Spurs get a player who is currently the best offensive low post player in the league and a solid defending PG(something Parker is definitely not).

    Utah gets an all-star point guard and a starting-quality SF, albeit on a bad contract. They also get Blair, who is young and one of the best bargains in the entire league.

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    Would not be surprised to see the Spurs make a savy move and if the do so, it will probably come right out of the blue.

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    You need to start elaborating, because I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

    The Spurs get a player who is currently the best offensive low post player in the league and a solid defending PG(something Parker is definitely not).

    Utah gets an all-star point guard and a starting-quality SF, albeit on a bad contract. They also get Blair, who is young and one of the best bargains in the entire league.
    Well first of all Utah don't do it because this trade adds salary to their future payroll, which they've spent 2 years now trying to reduce as much as they can. RJ is one of the worst contracts in the NBA right now and while the Spurs could (and will) amnesty, the Jazz wouldn't be able to after this trade. They have their own lottery pick Hayward to play at the 3 and they've also just signed Josh Howard as well, so no need for RJ whatsoever, even on a minimum contract. They have no need for Blair as well as they have Millsap, Kanter and Favors.

    For the Spurs, this trade takes away whatever small chance they have to compete this season, as no combination of Jefferson, Duncan and Splitter would work. As you can see Pop would rarely put Duncan and Splitter together, adding Jefferson to the mix would make it even worse. Parker is of course infinitely better than Harris so it's a huge drop down in quality at PG. Moreover, this trade would even reduce the Spurs available cap space in the summer.

    Damn! I'd dare anyone to come up with another deal that would damage two teams as badly as this one. I certainly can't think of any.

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    Well first of all Utah don't do it because this trade adds salary to their future payroll, which they've spent 2 years now trying to reduce as much as they can. RJ is one of the worst contracts in the NBA right now and while the Spurs could (and will) amnesty, the Jazz wouldn't be able to after this trade. They have their own lottery pick Hayward to play at the 3 and they've also just signed Josh Howard as well, so no need for RJ whatsoever, even on a minimum contract. They have no need for Blair as well as they have Millsap, Kanter and Favors.
    Of course RJ isn't taking Hayward's spot. He could either takes Miles spot off the bench, or they could move Hayward down to the 2. He's plenty quick and athletic enough to play there. You need 4 bigs in the NBA; as I said, it allows Favors and Kanter to develop, because Jefferson gets a ton of minutes. Blair can play wherever they see fit in the rotation. A change of scenery could also be good for Blair. I think Popo is ruining the guy, personally. He doesn't let him play his game.

    For the Spurs, this trade takes away whatever small chance they have to compete this season, as no combination of Jefferson, Duncan and Splitter would work. As you can see Pop would rarely put Duncan and Splitter together, adding Jefferson to the mix would make it even worse. Parker is of course infinitely better than Harris so it's a huge drop down in quality at PG. Moreover, this trade would even add to the Spurs available cap space in the summer.

    Damn! I'd dare anyone to come up with another deal that would damage two teams as badly as this one. I certainly can't think of any.
    Ummmm... you honestly think a Duncan/Jefferson combination isn't the best in the league? If it isn't, it's only 2nd to the Lakers. Jefferson might not be stellar on defense, but he certainly is on offense; almost certainly the best in the league. This way, we're playing inside out and getting many other people involved, instead of having Parker dribbling out the clock, taking midrange jumpers and getting outplayed by Mike Conley.

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    Well since you're being hypocritical enough to call Parker an all-star when trying to justify it for the Jazz and then someone who'd get outplayed by Mike Conley when trying to justify it for the Spurs, I see no reason to continue arguing since logic is obviously not a part of your reasoning. You also continue to fully disregard the financial point of the deal.

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    Well since you're being hypocritical enough to call Parker an all-star when trying to justify it for the Jazz and then someone who'd get outplayed by Mike Conley when trying to justify it for the Spurs, I see no reason to continue arguing since logic is obviously not a part of your reasoning. You also continue to fully disregard the financial point of the deal.
    He is an all-star, that is a fact. He also got outplayed by Mike Conley in the playoffs last year, that is also a fact.

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    He is an all-star, that is a fact. He also got outplayed by Mike Conley in the playoffs last year, that is also a fact.
    Care to post the stats to back that 'fact' of yours?

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    He could probably be a better defender next to TD, but I doubt he'll ever be as productive as Blair is offensively in the same number of minutes.
    Why not? He has more offensive weapons than Blair (a jumpshot just to name one) and if he plays better defense than Blair he will probably see more minutes too.

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    So you're insinuating it's unrealistic to be able to acquire a player who is currently playing less than 20 minutes per game, for a player that has been starting on a team that has the 2nd best record in the West, putting up better numbers and is cheaper? I can see where you're coming from.
    Oh, apologies if that was too subtle. I don't have any particular problem with attempting to acquire Randolph, but your scouting reports of other Spurs' players borders on re ed. At least I can be glad nobody's going to make you the GM anytime soon. "Thot scola trad wuz dum." looks really good on your resume, though.

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    Intelligent GM's are the combination of experience, knowledge and passion. You certainly have a lot of passion.

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    Oh, apologies if that was too subtle. I don't have any particular problem with attempting to acquire Randolph, but your scouting reports of other Spurs' players borders on re ed. At least I can be glad nobody's going to make you the GM anytime soon. "Thot scola trad wuz dum." looks really good on your resume, though.
    Really? How's that? How many players in their early 20's, making less than a million a year, have 30/20 games under their belts? I'll give you a hint, there's only one player in the entire league and he plays for the Spurs.

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    Intelligent GM's are the combination of experience, knowledge and passion. You certainly have a lot of passion.
    Care to give a better trade idea?

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    Have they made you GM yet?

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    Have they made you GM yet?
    Unfortunately not, so their chances of winning a championship this year are definitely diminished.

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    Did you even ask them to hire you?

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