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This is Bonner's year. Guaranteed.
This is Bonner's year. Guaranteed.
Does anybody have a plus minus of Bruce? Maybe a championship season, earlier, whatever.
Other thing I would be interested in looking would be the plus/minus per 5man unit if there is such thing. For example, from the graph I can see how great of a combination is Tony + Tiago, but we are not able to see who fits there as well.
Just musing here, is it possible for a 3 point specialist to have a smooth line of +/-?
Seems like guys who shoot almost exclusively 3s are going to be feast or famine by nature.
Mmm, thinking about it, it actually makes a lot of sense about Bonner.
If he's hitting, he puts a big on the floor who also stretches it. It makes us virtually unguardable as a team.
If his shooting is off, he basically makes us 4 on 5 on offense and he isn't very productive as a defender.
Yes, Bonner can have games where he plays well outside of shooting, but most of the time, that's not the case.
+/- is a useless stat. You read into it what you want. But it doesnt show a single thing that makes sense.
Take the Miami 3rd quarter blowout. Who had the best game, Jefferson or Green?
Green had 20 pts in 23 mins. Jefferson had 0 pts in 23 mins. Green had a +/- of -21. But Jefferson had a +/-of 0. Does this mean that Jefferson played better D than Green?
How about Philly? Parker had 37 pts in 38 mins. Green had 0 pts in 30 mins. Parker +/- of +5, Green +13.
Look at the Toronto game. Bonner +17, Jefferson -8. Bonner 20 mins, Jefferson 26 mins. Both scored 10 pts. Does this mean that Bonner played DEFENSE and Jefferson didnt?
How does +/- show anything worth knowing?
A person can bring on-the-court chemistry or a special skill set which enables the rest of their team to score more points than the other team, on average.
Just because players don't score doesn't make them useless to a team; if they were useless, generally the opposing team should benefit in some way. Of course the worst way the opposing team can benefit is by scoring more points.
This stat can be pretty helpful in arranging line-ups.
The more I look at some of these advanced stats, the more sure I am that either they're not being displayed properly or they are completely useless in determining anything outside of themselves.
Matt Bonner's +/- per 48 tonight was... wait for it... -155.45! That's gotta be some kind of record.
Problem with plus minus is that it is useless unless rotations are purely randomized. Bonner has a great plus/minus because he generally is in a group that is playing very good team ball.
It is really easy to see this if you view plus/minus live during a game, seeing it change with each bucket. You can see Bonner's plus/minus go up even on nights where he hits nothing and plays only average D. The reason? It is clear from watching that players like Splitter and Neal were large reasons for the high rating.
Of course, there are nights where Bonner is the reason for a high plus minus as well. But you really do need to watch the game to see the true value of this particular stat. It is very deceiving when a player is constantly playing with the same group of guys.
I do not disagree on the fact that you have to watch game, take a look at the rotation... But Bonner has been a constant regular season (I insist on that) +/- king since he is here.
You can't just assume he is not a reason for that +/-.
Splitter Benefit from Bonner presence just as much as Spitter from Bonner.
Actually, Bonner does not need to hit shot every nights. All it takes is teams having to respect his shot. You can't let Bonner wide open.
Personally, I use +/-
- As a hint about a player impact on the rotation.
Clearly Blair/Bonner is terrible while Blair/Splitter kills any second unit.
- As a grain of salt (If a player has great stats with terrible +/- or the other may) indicating that maybe I am missing something.
I also try not to look at +/- for individual games too much.
Now what is clear is that you can't use +/- to rank players.
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