View Poll Results: 2011-2012: Most Dependable Spurs Player (wings & backcourt)

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  • Manu Ginobili

    6 8.70%
  • Tony Parker

    52 75.36%
  • Richard Jefferson

    3 4.35%
  • Gary Neal

    2 2.90%
  • Danny Green

    4 5.80%
  • Kawhi Leonard

    2 2.90%
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    I guess we've become so accustomed to Tony being our most consistent contributor to winning basketball that we forget how truly great he really is and how blessed we are as a fan base to have such an amazing, healthy, selfless, winner and current All-Star (our only representative).
    I think people don't realise how good Parker is at what he does.
    15 pts / 5 ast / 50 FG% does not sound impressive. Because so many player achieve one of these... but when you look at who in the NBA history has more 15/5/50 season than Parker you understand how consistent he is.

    Parker has 4 of these seasons (same as Wilt, Stockton, Westphal). The other players on the list are:
    Bird (5)
    Nash (5)
    Jordan (6)
    Magic (9)
    In the other active players, Lebron has 3, Garnett 2, Paul & Deron 1.

    I am not implying Parker is has good has the Superstars on that list. He is not as skilled and/or dominant as these guys. But it illustrates that we should not overlook what Parker did during all these years.

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    The Spurs give up more points when Parker is on the bench than any other player on the team.
    Source?

    Also, that probably wouldn't have anything to do with Gary Neal being the backup point guard.

    Then again, I guess "he's still as bad at defense as he ever was" could technically be correct because Spurs fans have always underrated his defense.
    Parker isn't bad at defense? LMFAO. OK, what would you rate the guy that repeatedly gets torched by the likes of Luke Ridnour? Elite, great, good, above average, average, below average?

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    This should be good...


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    I think people don't realise how good Parker is at what he does.
    15 pts / 5 ast / 50 FG% does not sound impressive. Because so many player achieve one of these... but when you look at who in the NBA history has more 15/5/50 season than Parker you understand how consistent he is.

    Parker has 4 of these seasons (same as Wilt, Stockton, Westphal). The other players on the list are:
    Bird (5)
    Nash (5)
    Jordan (6)
    Magic (9)
    In the other active players, Lebron has 3, Garnett 2, Paul & Deron 1.

    I am not implying Parker is has good has the Superstars on that list. He is not as skilled and/or dominant as these guys. But it illustrates that we should not overlook what Parker did during all these years.
    This is because Parker doesn't even attempt half the amount of 3's that other point guards do, thus also meaning he does not spread the floor like a point guard should and his 50%FG isn't really as impressive as it sounds. True shooting percentage is better to go by. You are right, though, he is good at what he does. He is a scoring point guard. He is good at scoring. The problem is that he doesn't spread the floor to the 3(which is nuts for a PG), he doesn't have good court vision, and more importantly, he can't defend.

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    he does not spread the floor like a point guard should

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    2 people actually had the audacity to vote for Manu over Tony?


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    2 people actually had the audacity to vote for Manu over Tony?

    must not be familiar with Church Of Manu lemmings

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    This is because Parker doesn't even attempt half the amount of 3's that other point guards do, thus also meaning he does not spread the floor like a point guard should and his 50%FG isn't really as impressive as it sounds. True shooting percentage is better to go by. You are right, though, he is good at what he does. He is a scoring point guard. He is good at scoring. The problem is that he doesn't spread the floor to the 3(which is nuts for a PG), he doesn't have good court vision, and more importantly, he can't defend.
    You're not totally wrong but I like what Parker brings to this team, especially this year

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    You're not totally wrong but I like what Parker brings to this team, especially this year
    He is playing well, because the regular season is not like the playoffs. The regular season is more open and he can get to the paint more freely. His not being able to shoot the 3 will really be exposed during the playoffs, as will his inability to defend. We've already seen he can't be 'the man' on the team from last year's playoffs. He got outplayed by a guy who has never sniffed an all-star team, and it was critical for him to win that matchup resoundingly. As I said, now is the time to trade him, because he's being overrated by everyone right now.

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    didn't Kewni was also part of the club

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    didn't Kewni was also part of the club
    He's not really part of any clubs, I don't think. He's just legitimately re ed.

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    Tony does struggle with certain matchups. To name a few, Andre Miller has taken him to school repeatedly over the years. He had problems guarding crafty guys like CP3 or Nash (coincidentally, if you look at the last game, Danny Green was guarding CP3 while Tony was parked on Foye).

    He has also gone through some half-assing stretches (What ails Tony Parker comes to mind).

    All that said, he normally ends up outscoring the opposition, so it normally isn't that big of a deal.

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    He has also gone through some half-assing stretches (What ails Tony Parker comes to mind).

    All that said, he normally ends up outscoring the opposition, so it normally isn't that big of a deal.
    whats the point of gettin yours, if the opposing pg is gettin his...

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    All that said, he normally ends up outscoring the opposition, so it normally isn't that big of a deal.
    ...or creating easy buckets for other players on the team with his incredibly unselfish play.

    He's 7th in the NBA in assists this season.

    More importantly, he's 4th in the NBA in AST/TO ratio.

    He probably wouldn't look to score so much if he weren't forced to. He'd pass the ball to Manu but then the Spurs would be wistled for a turnover.

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    People are touching on this, but it needs to be said more clearly. Yes, Parker can score. We all know that, but if he's scoring 20 and the opposing PG, who may not even be a great player, is also scoring 20... what value is he really bringing to this team? Is that really a person of great value to have?

    It always kills me when people will say "Yeah, man, Bonner scored 15 points tonight off the bench, but how many did the guy he was guarding score??" well, that is really funny to me, because this is way more true of Parker than it is Bonner. And , even if Bonner isn't scoring, he's spreading the floor at the 4 position, which is invaluable. If Parker isn't scoring, he's basically useless. Bonner is also only a roleplayer, we could be trading Parker for a really solid big man.

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    He probably wouldn't look to score so much if he weren't forced to. He'd pass the ball to Manu but then the Spurs would be wistled for a turnover.
    Apparently it isn't just me that thinks putting the ball in Manu's hands with the game on the line is a better idea than putting it in Tony's hands.

    Frankly, Manu was bailing Tony's apathetic play when the season started.

    Tony is balling right now, and he should get all the credit. No doubt about it.

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    even if Bonner isn't scoring, he's spreading the floor at the 4 position, which is invaluable.

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    manu fans living in the past. TP is 10x the player manu is today.

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    Apparently it isn't just me that thinks putting the ball in Manu's hands with the game on the line is a better idea than putting it in Tony's hands.


    When did this thread become a discussion about who gets the ball with the game on the line?

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    He's 7th in the NBA in assists this season.

    More importantly, he's 4th in the NBA in AST/TO ratio.
    Tony is balling right now, and he should get all the credit. No doubt about it.
    I agree 100%.

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    When did this thread become a discussion about who gets the ball with the game on the line?
    He'd pass the ball to Manu but then the Spurs would be wistled for a turnover.

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    Frankly, none of the big 3 are as "consistent" or "resilient" as advertised. They all go through up and downs, be it because of age, wear and tear, matchups, etc.

    Duncan was probably the closest thing until he started slipping a couple seasons ago.

    That's why we're going to need all 3 performing well and a supporting cast playing well too if we're to get anywhere.

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    This is because Parker doesn't even attempt half the amount of 3's that other point guards do, thus also meaning he does not spread the floor like a point guard should and his 50%FG isn't really as impressive as it sounds. True shooting percentage is better to go by. You are right, though, he is good at what he does. He is a scoring point guard. He is good at scoring. The problem is that he doesn't spread the floor to the 3(which is nuts for a PG), he doesn't have good court vision, and more importantly, he can't defend.
    Your argument would has some validity. But hundreds of PG can't (or should not) shoot 3s. Yet, none of them can break 50 FG%.
    My point is not that Parker is an All-Time great. Just that he is great at what he does.

    Now, obvious trolling is obvious... so I will not discuss Parker career with you.
    3 rings, 4 time All Star and finals MVP speak for him.

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