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    I think we are looking a little too much into this, even though it’s a fun topic to discuss. I honestly prefer for Tony to show love/respect for his fellow teammate than nothing at all. Is he sincere? Who knows, but I like to think everyone gets along -especially Tony and Manu and more because of all those Tony vs Manu threads I have read over the years. It’s like “ha the joke is on us!” they love each other, lol


    While Parker's statements about Ginobili are all probably true, wouldn't it be better if he believed the team revolved more around himself in case Ginobili doesn't stay 100% for the duration of a playoff run?
    I think he does. Didn't he say in a recent interview that Pop wanted him to make it his team, to be more of a leader?

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    Parker is just being honest. Pop would say the same thing if he could do so without getting lambasted.
    For some reason I thought CoM was meaning Coach of the Month, which was making no sense at all.

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    So who's it going to be next after Manu retires pretty soon? Tony vs. ???????

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    LOL timvp told me people would take this thread too seriously. But when he told me the le, I thought he said, "calm" not "CoM."

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    Yes about 4 years before you...

    Go ahead, do another gray comment..

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    I thought CoM meant communist. lol

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    And I think they should all be fans of each other, even RJ. That's their job. That's how they do so well given so little to work with.

    However, we can still all over RJ at will.

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    people think manu is the best player on the team

    if TP had been injured instead of manu, Spurs would be about .500 right now.

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    I've noticed this as well. It's hard to tell if Parker's being sincere or not.
    It's 100% sincere. I disagree with any suggestion that it's just Parker appeasing Spurs fans or whatever. It's actually what Parker truly believes.

    For example, here an actual quote from over All-Star weekend:

    Person X: "Congrats on being an All-Star and leading the Spurs to a great record so far."

    Parker: "Thanks but we're not going anywhere without Manu healthy."

    And that wasn't in front of a camera, tbh.

    The fact that the Spurs got rolled in 5 in 2009 despite Parker posting maybe 2 of the top 10-15 Spurs playoff performances of all time in that series had to be weighing heavily on him. After that I don't see how he could reasonably think the Spurs could do much without Manu.
    Good point

    Im just guessing but my point is that a player and a PG mostly, knows really well how a team works and reacts to certain cir stances.
    Sounds reasonable.

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    C'mon... we get your point about Parker appreciating Manu but this can"t be an excuse for his poor outings early in the Memphis series
    It's better than any other excuse I can think of, tbh. Either Parker choked, wasn't ready for the playoffs, didn't really care, got exposed by Mike Conley or he got depressed after Manu broke his elbow.

    Out of those possibilities, I'd hope it was the last one.

    What if tony was out all the time ? Manu would probably say same thing. Even if he didn't believe it he wouldn't throw tony under the bus like that
    Manu shows his respect, don't get me wrong, but during that stretch in 2010 when Manu was playing like the best player in the NBA, I don't remember Manu being dismissive about the success and saying the Spurs wouldn't do anything without Parker.

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    As much as I love Manu, there's no way he's the best player in the team right now... I think Tony Parker wants to believe that the Spurs are a MUCH better team with him in there.. he might not like the pressure, but I still believe Tony is the best player this team has.

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    I think Tony is just telling it like it is. Manu's injuries don't seem to have hurt his playing so far this season, though I think Manu's arm in the playoffs certainly made him lose hope.

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    Parker is no Westbrook or Kobe tbh. He knows who the best player on the team is, and he knows that without that best player on the team the Spurs are going nowhere. I dont really like Parker but one thing I kinda like is that hes straightforward and honest. Hes just calling it like it is no surprise there really, jusr letting everybody know who the best player on the team is. Parker can be a very good Robin and Im glad hes embracing that and letting everyone know that the best player on the team has his role as Batman secured once he returns. Props to Tony.
    Classic CoM post. I couldn't even come up with a better one if I tried

    It's classic that:

    1) Everything has to be turned into a compe ion in which Manu > Parker when it doesn't matter since they're on the same team.

    2) CoM conveniently forgets that Tim Duncan is on the team and has been the "Batman" 99% of the time.

    3) Instead of agreeing with Parker's respect, CoM turns it around and uses it against Parker.




    Any non-CoM or CoP member can clearly see that Ginobili and Parker have been pretty damn equal throughout their careers in terms of being the second banana.

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    I respect you L.J. and I respect your work, but with all due respect this is the dumbest thread you've ever started since 2009, the infamous "How the Spurs can win a le without Manu" rubbish.

    Frankly, you're just trolling.

    Point guards are supposed to be extensions of the head coach on the floor and Parker is just echoing what Pop has always said. They can't win without any of the big three being down. , they probably can't even with all three healthy, but at least there's a tiny chance.

    If Tony has a shortcoming with the press is that sometimes he's too honest. Still no reason to start a whole thread about it. Who cares if he should say it or not? It's the truth. If Manu never said the same thing when Tony was out it doesn't mean he didn't think it, it just means he's more stoic and polished with the media.

    Besides, you've missed the point entirely. No one in CoM has ever questioned Tony and Manu's relationship off the floor. Everyone knows they're tight, especially now after all their other close friends have moved on and all the big three have left is each other. They've questioned the chemistry on the floor, just like Westbrook/Durant. The times people have ripped Tony for not passing enough, it's not like it made him a bad person, just a guy with a low basketball I.Q. :-)

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    I wish TP would go Kobe and use his candid nature to put pressure on the FO to make a move. I think TP is just parroting Pop though who says similar stuff which I agree is a mental crutch.

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    This thread is like a Ducks post but with better spelling and grammar. Lame.

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    people think manu is the best player on the team

    if TP had been injured instead of manu, Spurs would be about .500 right now.
    Another Manu vs TP thread?

    Isn't it like asking which leg you really need, the left or right? The right may be stronger, but you really don't want to have to pick.

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    Yes about 4 years before you...

    Go ahead, do another gray comment..
    Your counting is obviously much better than your powers of perception.

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    That 2009 Spurs team without Manu was probably the worst spurs team of the past 15 years. Parker doesn't need to be so down about that since the team has so much more depth now. Hes having an incredible year.

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    I heard somewhere that Manu said before the season that this is Parker's teams, tbh.

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    Your counting is obviously much better than your powers of perception.
    The fact that I didn't recognize an acronym, especially when it's used for something as stupid as "the church" of a player, has nothing to do with my seniority in this board.

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    people think manu is the best player on the team

    if TP had been injured instead of manu, Spurs would be about .500 right now.
    Nah, team would probably have around the same record they have right now and Manu would be the one stepping up in Tony's absence.

    This has happen many times before. Whenever a memeber of the big three goes down, the other two step up (lately Manu and Tony more than Tim) and the team remains compe ive.

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    The fact that I didn't recognize an acronym, especially when it's used for something as stupid as "the church" of a player, has nothing to do with my seniority in this board.
    It's only been in every "church of" thread that has been made since...well...as long as I've been here. But whatever. I'm just bored and giving you just to do it. Carry on.

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    Nah, team would probably have around the same record they have right now and Manu would be the one stepping up in Tony's absence.

    This has happen many times before. Whenever a memeber of the big three goes down, the other two step up (lately Manu and Tony more than Tim) and the team remains compe ive.
    That is very doubtful, IMO. With Ford also down the spurs would have struggled getting consistent point guard play. No way they come out of that rodeo 8-1.

    Spurs are also just deeper at the 2/3 than the 1 and it obviously has showed.

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    Manu is and always has been the heart and miracle worker, whereas Tony has been the motor and Tim the steady talent. That's why they complement eachother so well.

    Some CoP members will take this as some sort of slight for some reason, but it isn't.

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