Disagree. Statistically, he deserves as much as Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol. When it comes to intangibles and leadership he puts both to shame, though.
those chumps u mention are overpaid due to market and supply of bigs, why doesnt the spurs just allow the market dictate whats duncan value is b4 they overpay him?
dont bring up KG career earnings to duncan, cause he benefited from previous old cba rules when he came into the league....
Agreed but Tim is still top 5 or 6 on the all time salary list so it's not like he's under paid.
neal is not worth 4yr/27m man, or whatever the market decides to overpay him....
spurs should just match whatever team offers him b4 we overvalue his worth, same with green also...im certain there be teams chuckin stupid money offers since theres like 6-8 teams under the cap?
Duncan is in the latter part of the top 10 Cs, anywhere from 4-10 IMO..
On average, excluding Roy Hibbert's rookie contract, the Cs in Duncan's tier average 11 million per season..(Horford, Noah, Nene, Gasol, Chandler, Gortat)..
Even ignoring the Spurs' le contention and future plans, Duncan's contract should consider his age and mileage..11 mil is the starting point, but considering the cir stances, 8 or 9 mil a year would be the proper compensation for Duncan's current production..
Considering Al Horford is making $12 million and Carlos Boozer $13.5 for similar stats, I don't see how the market value for Tim would be $5 million. The only big with similar efficiency stats (by game, not minute) and paid less than $10 million a year and not on a rookie scale deal is Varejao at $7.7 million (amazing that he seems underpaid now when that contract looked bad at signing). Tim could be a $5 million player in 2013-14, but he's definitely not that for next season.
Tim should get what he wants period. But if he would take a back loaded 3 year/25M that would be huge. Spurs, IMO need 8-10M in cap space.
Will the Spurs offer him that? Probably. The Spurs recognize what Tim has done for the franchise, and would pay him accordingly. After all...we know the Spurs are the classiest organization of all time.
Would Duncan negotiate for less? I still think that's a good possibility.
Tim has obviously been paid well over his career, and has undoubtedly invested his money sensibly. He doesn't strike me as the flashy type, and living in a small market his entire career, with no state tax...I'm sure the dude already has a nice little nest egg.
That being said, Duncan is no dummy. He knows that the more money the Spurs have to spend on free agents, the better their chances are to win. If he is faced with the decision of going for a payday (say, the proposed $12M), or negotiating for something like $8-$9M, maybe back-load it, and having a better shot at the le...I'd wager he'd rather take the better chance to go out with a ring then he would the extra 3-4 mill per. I don't see him being the type to pull out the "well David made such-and-such" card.
Granted, I'm no millionaire, so I would never fault a guy for NOT wanting to give up millions of dollars. But even if it is just wishful thinking, one can always hope...
Dwight would laugh at $20 million in San Antonio too.
Holy
Spurs using Timvp to tell us there is a big trade coming. As Bruno pointed out, cap space isn't the goal; it's winning time
No the argument is not that he is under-paid, but whether or not to pay him only by "market value". That will be under-selling him and his contribution to the Spurs.
It is not as if the Spurs will be doing him a favour by "overpaying him 3-4 millions more" per year. It will be for basketball reasons to do that. I don't know any one big man in the FA list who can be available for $12-15 mil next year who will significantly be better than Tim Duncan (and is also a realistic target for the Spurs - so lets rule out Dwight Howard).
As for the questions that you and Bruno raise, those are tougher ones and the more relevant ones - whether or not Tim Duncan will get the role player free agent he wants to keep contending for a championship while being paid $12 mil. I do think that there will be vets + Lorbek to help for 12-13, and then Manu's contract comes off the books and maybe thats where the Spurs will strike with a hotter iron in the FA market. (Assuming RJ is amnestied next season itself).
most teams only have MLE to play with and only a couple of teams are under the cap,
the teams under the cap i dont see them adding duncan at +10m to become a championship contender....when those teams have more holes to be filled then blowin it up signin one player on his last legs....do i see him leaving the spurs for whatever contending team throws the MLE at him? thats questionable
What year do you live in? Kwame Brown just signed a $7 million contract this past summer. There's no way Duncan's value is $5 million. Let's be real.
He averages less than 20 & 10 so he deserves $5 million?
Who are you comparing him to to arrive at that $8 or 9 million number? Big Baby Davis? I can't agree with a number that equates Duncan's value to Kidd's value at the same age.
Ignoring the fact that Duncan wouldn't want to move and thus the built-in hometown discount, unless he gets injured or declines much further as the season progresses, there's no way that $12 million over a couple seasons is unfair value given the contracts currently handed out on an annual basis.
You'd have to imagine the Spurs resign Manu if they sign Tim (if Manu is healthy and doesn't retire)
Someone who might not be fine with Spurs giving that much money to Duncan, is Parker. When he signed his extension a year ago, a reason why he didn't try to get as much money as possible was to allow Spurs to sign new players. If Spurs use that extra money to give $13M for a 39 years old Duncan, it will be a big f u to Parker.
I was hoping somewhere between 8-9 mil. I guess 11 mil is about right but too much more than that, I start to get worried.
To contend there is no doubt the Spurs need Tim. From that perspective (and the obvious perspective that you definitely want to keep him bc he's freaking Tim Duncan) he's easily worth 12-15M still.
It's simply a matter of if you are trying to contend, which by all accounts resigning Tim signals that, you need trades and/or cap space.
why are we outpricing ourselves to resign duncan? let the market dictate his value, im certain those teams with capspace arent going to go out to chuck that +10m on duncan when they have more holes in their roster...i dont see duncan chasing the money to be on a bad team thats still a long way from contending
The roses are out, Tim! Not the daisies!
No, we won't.
Eyes talker going Hannibal Lector on timvp
I explained my reasoning for the 8-9 million comment..
His production is worth around 10-11 million, at the moment, but we have yet to see how he'll hold up for the playoffs..going into the off-season, it must be assumed that Duncan will further decline, next season..I feel like 8-9 million is reasonable, as it would also benefit the team's pursuit for a free agent, albeit not a major difference..
Duncan's current numbers are nice(ignoring his atrocious shooting %s and WP/48, IIRC), but we have yet to reach the playoff grind..
Disagree. The difference in ~5M & 9M is significant to the Spurs.
Borderline all-star?
First of all, Neal is not a free agent. And then, barring a miraculous playoff showing this and/or next season, he'd be lucky to get a 3 year / 12 million contract.
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