How Fox reported high gas prices under Bush...

[Yonivore]

Keystone has about zip to do with current gas prices.

The oil Keystone would convey has about zip to do with the current gas prices. The at ude of an administration that sides with environmentalists at the expense of jobs and energy has a lot to do with current gas prices -- when combined with other events; Iran, gulf moratorium, ANWR, wasteful spending on alternative fuels, and on and on and on.

[RandomGuy]

The oil Keystone would convey has about zip to do with the current gas prices. The at ude of an administration that sides with environmentalists at the expense of jobs and energy has a lot to do with current gas prices -- when combined with other events; Iran, gulf moratorium, ANWR, wasteful spending on alternative fuels, and on and on and on.

Heh, you didn't watch the video in the OP.

Fox "news" talking heads just about rebutted every single one of your assertions.

US oil production has gone back to pre-moratorium levels and is a bit beyond actually.

Iran has all to do with environmentalists (edit) AND has a much greater effect on oil prices than anything the U.S. does.

Further, you have yet to show how increasing U.S. production of oil (10% of world total) by a few % at the margins will make a difference when 90% of world production will be unaffected by "an administration that sides with environmentalists"

Please demonstrate how much production you think has been lost in the last 3 years. Then quantify it in terms of its affect on oil prices, then gas prices.

[CosmicCowboy]

Holy !

Checking into PV tax credits and incentives I can damn near do it for free! I can buy a 6900kw grid based system for around $17,000 (plus installation) and immediately get a CPS rebate of around $9000 and a tax credit of $5100.

Crap. I need to do this.

Oops, reading the fine print CPS gets the Fed tax credit. Damn.

OK, a 6900kw system is $8000 plus installation.

Wonder what the payback would be?

[TeyshaBlue]

The oil Keystone would convey has about zip to do with the current gas prices. The at ude of an administration that sides with environmentalists at the expense of jobs and energy has a lot to do with current gas prices -- when combined with other events; Iran, gulf moratorium, ANWR, wasteful spending on alternative fuels, and on and on and on.

Fungible and on and on and on.

[DisAsTerBot]

If you can keep a straight face while you say that one side is more blatant or partisan than the other, there's no point in arguing with you.

qft

[TeyshaBlue]

Holy !

Checking into PV tax credits and incentives I can damn near do it for free! I can buy a 6900kw grid based system for around $17,000 (plus installation) and immediately get a CPS rebate of around $9000 and a tax credit of $5100.

Crap. I need to do this.

Oops, reading the fine print CPS gets the Fed tax credit. Damn.

OK, a 6900kw system is $8000 plus installation.

Wonder what the payback would be?

6900kw for 8 bones? Seem's like a no brainer to me. I don't know your consumption figures, but the payback would be visible I'd guess.

[Winehole23]

Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

I hope it pleases you to call other posters stupid and ed, because otherwise it does you no favor.

[Yonivore]

Fungible and on and on and on.

Well, I suppose you could argue Obama has lowered our reliance on oil because of all the unemployed not using gas to drive to work.

[Winehole23]

not much the president can do to move the needle on employment -- btw, do you think it's the president's job to fix the economy or put people to work?

[George Gervin's Afro]

The oil Keystone would convey has about zip to do with the current gas prices. The at ude of an administration that sides with environmentalists at the expense of jobs and energy has a lot to do with current gas prices -- when combined with other events; Iran, gulf moratorium, ANWR, wasteful spending on alternative fuels, and on and on and on.

calm down yoni..the republican governor asked the state dept to hold off permitting the pipeline to proceed.. by the way the pipeline will be approved and Obama will get all the credit for it while the guys on your side will lose yet another issue that is yanked right out thier playbook..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Heh, you didn't watch the video in the OP.

Fox "news" talking heads just about rebutted every single one of your ed assertions.

US oil production has gone back to pre-moratorium levels and is a bit beyond actually.

Iran has all to do with environmentalists.

Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

you shouldn't ahve told him. it would have been funny to hear him completely contradict what his news station reported..

[George Gervin's Afro]

What's been the difference?

the difference is that now fox news is blaming this on president obam'as policies ....yet when bush was in office fox stated that there was nothing the president could do to lower gas prices.. don't always play stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

Holy !

Checking into PV tax credits and incentives I can damn near do it for free! I can buy a 6900kw grid based system for around $17,000 (plus installation) and immediately get a CPS rebate of around $9000 and a tax credit of $5100.

Crap. I need to do this.

Oops, reading the fine print CPS gets the Fed tax credit. Damn.

OK, a 6900kw system is $8000 plus installation.

Wonder what the payback would be?

This was the system I was looking at...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ht_4859wt_1163

Hmmmm....looks like I'm paying CPS $.085 per kwh after the fuel adjustment.

Crap, that can't be right...$586.50 for 6900kwh?

hmmm...I only use 1200 kwh a month...

As I understand a grid based system the utility buys the extra power back...so every hour the sun shines I'm making $500?

, that can't be right.

[RandomGuy]

I hope it pleases you to call other posters stupid and ed, because otherwise it does you no favor.

I'm not sure what else to call a tired regurgitation of retreaded, debunked talking points tacked onto partisan hackery.

It seemed a good shorthand to a point by point rebuttal that would be wasted as trying to convince Cosmored we landed on the moon.

That said, once again, you are right. Another battle lost in the war against the lower self.

[coyotes_geek]

Holy !

Checking into PV tax credits and incentives I can damn near do it for free! I can buy a 6900kw grid based system for around $17,000 (plus installation) and immediately get a CPS rebate of around $9000 and a tax credit of $5100.

Crap. I need to do this.

Oops, reading the fine print CPS gets the Fed tax credit. Damn.

OK, a 6900kw system is $8000 plus installation.

Wonder what the payback would be?

Wife and I were thinking about doing this back in 2008. We were looking at something like $10k out of pocket with $15k in rebates/tax credits. Payoff using 2008 electricity prices was about 12 years. We didn't do it because the financial crisis came along, thus not a good time to go borrow $10 grand.

[AFBlue]

Fox NEWS IMHO really is fair and balanced. Fox OPINION commentators (O'Reilly, Hannity, etc.) clearly aren't. I don't understand why people refuse to see the difference.

Also IMHO CNN and MSNBC especially blur the lines between news and opinion more than Fox does.

This.

[RandomGuy]

This was the system I was looking at...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ht_4859wt_1163

Hmmmm....looks like I'm paying CPS $.085 per kwh after the fuel adjustment.

Crap, that can't be right...$586.50 for 6900kwh?

hmmm...I only use 1200 kwh a month...

As I understand a grid based system the utility buys the extra power back...so every hour the sun shines I'm making $500?

, that can't be right.

Sounds about right.

If you do take the time/effort/money, be sure to get the net metering and payments from the power company in a VERY firm contract.

It is VERY important to understand how the power companies structure their rates when determining rates of return and payback periods.

1. Peak charges. You pay more during the summer (duh) when demand is highest
2. Peak demand. Your rate can be affected by your maximum base demand (highest 15 minute demand period).

Both of which are mitigated quite well by PV, since power in Texas is used to offset summer, peak usage for running air conditioners.

[RandomGuy]

The oil Keystone would convey has about zip to do with the current gas prices. The at ude of an administration that sides with environmentalists at the expense of jobs and energy has a lot to do with current gas prices -- when combined with other events; Iran, gulf moratorium, ANWR, wasteful spending on alternative fuels, and on and on and on.

Fungible.

Canadians will move oil somewhere else, global supply will be unchanged, our demand will be unchanged, etc.

Even if it NEVER gets built in the US, they will simply move it within Canada to a different port for export.

You do know that the company proposing this is considering other options, right?

[ChumpDumper]

lol at ude

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn.

Looks like you get a $25,000 rebate from CPS for putting in a 12.5 Kw system. They can't be that much more expensive. I'm calling the link RG gave me to get an estimate.

[Drachen]

This was the system I was looking at...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ht_4859wt_1163

Hmmmm....looks like I'm paying CPS $.085 per kwh after the fuel adjustment.

Crap, that can't be right...$586.50 for 6900kwh?

hmmm...I only use 1200 kwh a month...

As I understand a grid based system the utility buys the extra power back...so every hour the sun shines I'm making $500?

, that can't be right.

I had a consultation a few years ago and they said that CPS doesn't buy back your electricity, rather, they give you credit for electricity (i.e. if you produce an extra 80 kwh in July and use an extra 80 kwh in december, then it is a wash).

[Drachen]

Damn.

Looks like you get a $25,000 rebate from CPS for putting in a 12.5 Kw system. They can't be that much more expensive. I'm calling the link RG gave me to get an estimate.

remember, you have to go through CPSs contractors to get a rebate (so you cant buy the PV cells yourself).

[CosmicCowboy]

remember, you have to go through CPSs contractors to get a rebate (so you cant buy the PV cells yourself).

Yep, I got that. I'm calling one.

[Drachen]

Yep, I got that. I'm calling one.

Cool, let us know. I would be interested again. The wife may be getting a pretty hefty raise in the next two weeks (making her the sugar mama) and it may become doable for us. Especially since (by looking at CPSs site) it looks like you are indeed eligible for the 30% tax credit.

[boutons_deux]

" , that can't be right."

I'm looking at solar now.

CPS credits your account $0.02 per Kwh fed into the grid, while charging $0.11/Kwh, which the solar supplier tells will probably soon be increased to the TX avg of $0.13/Kwh.

TX doesn't really have feed-in tariffs like 4 or 5 states, and Germany does.

Time-of-day metering is also coming to CPS, and to TX. (pay more in peak hours, less in off-peak hours).