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    http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.c...t-quite-m-v-p/



    Also, Durant as the face of the NBA would be disgusting..
    Not as bad as Oden:


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    Parker isn't close to Paul to be honest. He actually has had more help this season than Paul.

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    Parker isn't close to Paul to be honest. He actually has had more help this season than Paul.
    Paul is the superior player. Parker usually plays him pretty even head-to-head. Paul has better talent around him, Parker has better coaching. Parker has lead his team to a significantly better record.

    They are pretty close this season.

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    Paul doesn't have superior talent around him..

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    LeBron is really the only deserving candidate, but I agree that he's probably lost some luster with some of the voters. Durant has been good but I'm not that impressed by him to go so far as viewing him as MVP of the league. If enough voters have soured on LeBron, I do think CP3 can sneak in and steal an MVP he probably deserved when Kobe won his. I didn't realize CP3 was averaging basically 20 PPG. 20/8 while shooting almost 50% from the field, 2nd in the league in steals, and has really changed the culture and expectations of Clippers Nation.

    To me, it should be LeBron. But CP3 might not be a bad second choice.
    Won't matter. unless Clips move up quite a bit. Paul did not deserve Kobe's MVP at least based on how they have voted the past 20 years ... I think the award is crap and if Lebron doesnt get it ...it will further prove my point.

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    I have said MULTIPLe times we are NOT legit contenders ...so save your laughs for someone else. Bynum is playing better so I say their chance at a ring went from 0% to maybe 1-5% ... that is why I said "slim".

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    Paul doesn't have superior talent around him..
    yeah, neither does Chalmers. Compared to Parker, he's got plenty of superior talent.

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    Paul doesn't have superior talent around him..
    Blake Griffin
    Caron Butler
    Mo Williams
    DeAndre Jordan
    Kenyon Martin
    Randy Foye (lol)
    Reggie Evans (lol)
    Eric Bledsoe
    half a season so far of Billups.

    vs

    Tim Duncan
    Kawhi Leonard
    Matt Bonner (lol)
    DeJuan Blair (lol)
    Tiago Splitter
    Gary Neal
    Danny Green
    Richard Jefferson (lol)
    10 games of Ginobili


    I would say with Manu basically not existing the whole season, Parker has been working with less or at the very minimum, equal talent to Paul. With Manu fit, different story.

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    Blake Griffin
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    Mo Williams
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    Randy Foye (lol)
    Reggie Evans (lol)
    Eric Bledsoe
    half a season so far of Billups.

    vs

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    Kawhi Leonard
    Matt Bonner (lol)
    DeJuan Blair (lol)
    Tiago Splitter
    Gary Neal
    Danny Green
    Richard Jefferson (lol)
    10 games of Ginobili


    I would say with Manu basically not existing the whole season, Parker has been working with less or at the very minimum, equal talent to Paul. With Manu fit, different story.
    Spur fan has a point. With Blake on the squad not one MVP candidate can argue they dont have elite level help except Dwight ... and maybe Parker but Duncan has been playing at at an ALL-star level since he was snubbed ...

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    Spurs have more guys contributing compared to the Clippers. Not anything spectacular, but a lot of guys are playing solid whether it's Splitter, Duncan, Leonard, Bonner, Blair, Jefferson. For the Clips, only Blake, Jordan, and Williams are contributing consistently. Everyone else has been garbage. The Spurs are more balanced across the board while Paul does a lot more for the Clippers.

    And Parker hasn't done as much for his team compared to Howard, Lebron, Durant, Paul, and even Love.

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    Spurs have more guys contributing compared to the Clippers. Not anything spectacular, but a lot of guys are playing solid whether it's Splitter, Duncan, Leonard, Bonner, Blair, Jefferson. For the Clips, only Blake, Jordan, and Williams are contributing consistently. Everyone else has been garbage. The Spurs are more balanced across the board while Paul does a lot more for the Clippers.

    And Parker hasn't done as much for his team compared to Howard, Lebron, Durant, Paul, and even Love.
    Jefferson, Bonner and Blair have been anything but consistent. Blair contributes on offense only because TP sets him up with good passes. When Parker's goes to the bench for streches, the offense usually breaks down.

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    Spurs have more guys contributing compared to the Clippers. Not anything spectacular, but a lot of guys are playing solid whether it's Splitter, Duncan, Leonard, Bonner, Blair, Jefferson. For the Clips, only Blake, Jordan, and Williams are contributing consistently. Everyone else has been garbage. The Spurs are more balanced across the board while Paul does a lot more for the Clippers.

    And Parker hasn't done as much for his team compared to Howard, Lebron, Durant, Paul, and even Love.
    This is a ludicrous post, especially the last sentence.

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    TP is a top 5 on the mvp discussion and a solid one

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    TP is tough to argue against. He led his team to a 10 game win streak (or more) while Manu was injured and Tim wasn't playing AS level ball (according to the voters). Tony made the AS team because of how much he's helped the Spurs this year. Hard not to argue that the Spurs wouldn't be where they are if it was Tony on the bench. The years Nash won, the Suns struggled mightily when he went down for a few games and rebounded when he returned, it became really obvious who was responsible for the success of that team (or at least which piece was the most crucial). The same is true for TP.

    Lebron is up there, but if he wins it, that says some real ed up about Wade and Bosh.

    If Kobe wins, .

    I can see Howard though. Team does nothing without him, and I mean nothing.

    Durant would be there, but Westbrick scores about as much quite often and that 40 point game when Durant had 50 really clouds the picture on that one.

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    Lol Paul for MVP they don't give those to stars on teams that are in 4th place in conference 7th in NBA

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    Lol Paul for MVP they don't give those to stars on teams that are in 4th place in conference 7th in NBA
    If that's the rationale, KD has it locked up

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    This is a ludicrous post, especially the last sentence.
    Look at the numbers. The Spurs have more balance on their team compared to the Clippers. Alot of it could be Paul dominating the ball. Parker has solid role players around him. More than what Paul has. The Clippers are a joke outside of Griffin, Jordan and Mo. Spurs have more pieces to work with.

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    Lebron is the MVP right now and it's not even close.


    And Parker hasn't done as much for his team compared to Howard, Lebron, Durant, Paul, and even Love.
    This is just complete ignorance on your part.

    TP should be top 5. The Spurs are ranked 2nd in the West right now and so far it's been a one-man show. Without Tony they'd have a better chance at the lottery than the playoffs.

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    Lebron is the MVP right now and it's not even close.




    This is just complete ignorance on your part.

    TP should be top 5. The Spurs are ranked 2nd in the West right now and so far it's been a one-man show. Without Tony they'd have a better chance at the lottery than the playoffs.
    The numbers don't support him carrying the Spurs on his back. He's had more people than people give credit for.

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    And no one talks about his defense.

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    Won't matter. unless Clips move up quite a bit. Paul did not deserve Kobe's MVP at least based on how they have voted the past 20 years ... I think the award is crap and if Lebron doesnt get it ...it will further prove my point.
    Why wasn't CP3 deserving in 2007-08 based on how they have voted the past 20 years?

    His stats made him at least as deserving as Kobe or LeBron that season. And the Hornets were the 2nd seed in the Western Conference. Based on what exactly didn't CP3 at least have as deserving a case as Kobe?

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    The Spurs have 6 guys who are shooting over 38% from beyond the arc. That's incredible. They allow him to penetrate easier and give him easy assists while they're bombing away. Imagine if Paul had those kind of shooters around him. After Billups got injured, he only has 1 healthy guy right now shooting over 38%.

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    Why wasn't CP3 deserving in 2007-08 based on how they have voted the past 20 years?

    His stats made him at least as deserving as Kobe or LeBron that season. And the Hornets were the 2nd seed in the Western Conference. Based on what exactly didn't CP3 at least have as deserving a case as Kobe?
    CP3 easily should have been MVP that season. There was no debate about. He clearly did more for the Hornets than what Kobe or Lebron did for their team.

    Parker's having a great season, but he's not doing the same what Paul did for that Hornets team. Paul was much better defensively, and didn't nearly have the amount of help Parker has now. Basically he had Chandler, West, Peja, and no bench or wing scorers. He made Chandler, West and Peja alot better.

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    I think "should" might be too strong a word. Definitely "could" have gone to CP3. He was just as deserving imo.

    As for Parker v. CP3, I think some Spurs fans are overrating CP3's supporting cast with the Clippers. CP3 has a guy in Griffin that does put up superstar production. But after that, Mo Williams and Caron Butler are the next two best players and while they're playing well, one could easily argue Ginobili and Gary Neal have been better. Emergence of Kawhi Leonard and then you add Tiago Splitter playing well and the better three point shooting, Spurs have a better depth of talent imo. I don't think one can simply say the Clippers have better players around CP3 just because of Blake Griffin.

    CP3 is also 2nd in the league in steals so while not a defensive stopper, he's contributing at a high level defensively because of those steals. And then you look at both the Clippers and Spurs in recent years. The Spurs had the 2nd best record last year. They've been a perennial 50+ (and mostly 55+) win team for over a decade. The previous 4 seasons for the Clippers, they've averaged about 26 wins and a .314 winning percentage before CP3 arrived. It's not only CP3's production, but what he's meant to the Clippers (similar to Steve Nash and the Suns in 2004). I don't see the argument for Parker over CP3.

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