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how is this a lateral move? it's the playoffs and you have Jax and on the bench, who do you bring in first?thinking we're getting anything resembling 2003 Jack.
In basketball terms, this was a lateral move at best.
It's a great move for the Spurs financially though. Casual fans wont realize this.
WWWW (Westbrick wont win west)
You'll no doubt cite Jacksons playoff exploits in years past.
Recently, however, he's given me no reason to believe he still has that mojo. Bigger cojones? Sure. That doesn't necessarily translate to success on the court though. If I'm watching highlight reels of both players over the past two years, it's a coin flip honestly.
I didn't let pre 2010 a-posteriori knowledge get in the way of my assessment, and neither should you. As of today it's a lateral move. Lets hope that Captain Jack proves me wrong.
Jackson averaged 18ppg 2 years ago in the playoffs. averaged 9.I didn't let pre 2010 a-posteriori knowledge get in the way of my assessment, and neither should you. As of today it's a lateral move. Lets hope that Captain Jack proves me wrong.
answer the question. It's the playoffs who do you bring in first?
jeffersons 2 years playoffs here doesnt even live up to jax playoffs heroics...
Already answered.You'll no doubt cite Jacksons playoff exploits in years past.
Recently, however, he's given me no reason to believe he still has that mojo. Bigger cojones? Sure. That doesn't necessarily translate to success on the court though. If I'm watching highlight reels of both players over the past two years, it's a coin flip honestly.
I didn't let pre 2010 a-posteriori knowledge get in the way of my assessment, and neither should you. As of today it's a lateral move. Lets hope that Captain Jack proves me wrong.
And
Jefferson FG% .486
Jackson FG% .358
Jefferson - 15 turnovers in 10 games
Jackson - 17 turnovers in 4 games
Sure, Jackson averaged 18 ppg but played 5.5 more minutes per and had more offense run specifically for him. He responded by shooting 36% from the field and 17% from three while averaging more than 4 turnovers per contest.
This is your playoff messiah?
Sooooo........who do you bring in first from the bench? I'll keep my quarter handy thank you.
The Spurs are not the favorites to win the championship this year.
Agloco's remarks in this thread are poignant, I also think this is a lateral move at best and great for Peter Holt's pocketbook which is great for him but at the end of the day not much else.
Jefferson is by far the more efficient player of the two, the fact that Pop started him over Leonard and also played him almost 30 minutes a game wasn't his fault. Jefferson also showed he could adapt to different roles and did seem to show more versatility in his game with Manu running the offense. He also was relatively quiet and non-disruptive in the locker room.
I'm not convinced that SJax can still bring the intangibles to make up for that loss of efficiency he once did almost a decade ago (swagger, confidence, defense). The league's changed too much, he's changed too much, and he also doesn't have the luxury of playing on a dominant defensive team like he did back in 2003 and more recently with the bobcats. This spurs team cannot afford him to go into chucker mode which is what he'll immediately start doing. Pop will be forced to bench him and then he'll start whining and be a locker room cancer.
At the end of the day, there is one positive I see (that doesn't include Holt's bank account) to be gleened out of all this, at least the young guys will finally have their turn. When Jackson's chucking lands him a seat on the bench, Leonard and Green especially will get increased roles.
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+1
Don't get me wrong. I like the potential that Jack brings, and for the financial savings this brings on top of that? Why not? I agree with Jack coming off the bench. At this point, I think its for the best.
With the proper mindset, I'm hoping Jack can roll the clock back about 4 years. I want to believe that most of the bad play we've seen was due to his being on losing squads for the past 5 years. We will find out soon.
Much has been made of Jack's chucking. Valid concern, but Jack did this with the Warriors, Bobcats, and Bucks, as either the 1st or 2nd scoring option. Obviously Jack's role with the Spur's would be as a 3rd option at best, pending if hes starting or not. Unless Jack is dumber than a box of rocks, he shouldn't feel the need to carry a team offensively, but rather get his touches within the offense if hes starting, or being the main option offensively coming off the bench in a 6th man role.
Agree. I think Jack respects Pop more than any coach he's ever had. They had a great relationship in 2003, lets hope that continues. He's also a fairly intelligent player.
More to the point of the OP however, this is NOT a move that puts the Spurs over the top. Not even close.
We can only hope Pop starts him out in a bench role or you will see his head inflate to 300+ PSI and full chucker mode.
With how giddy Pop is about him, I'm not sure this is set in stone however.
who said he's playoff messiah?
all I know is he's a much better option over the bag that has been Jefferson.
So no, disagree. It's not a lateral move. It's a clear upgrade. Jax has something never had, balls in the playoffs. No stat or comparison will show this.
I rather pick a guy with playoff cojones 100 times out of 100 over a pussy that has similar 'stats'
like someone said, we traded a for a pair of ballsthat does not = lateral move
Oh give me a in break. A guy who is 34 next month, hurt, and having the worst year of his career is going to put us over the top to win a le???? You are delusional. I saw a list up top.
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. OKC
I will take it a step further.
4. Memphis
Have you homers really forgot about the team who humiliated us last year??? Do you really think we are so much better than them all of a sudden??? You know Randolph is coming back right? How easily you guys forget.
can't argue with this.
still. playoff Jax > playoff
Horse what they're not talking about is his defensive abilities, now can Pop control him? That's the question. But let's not forget Jax was the one responsible for the biggest playoff upset in history when he hit the big shots and shut dirk down.
In basketball terms, this was a lateral move at best.
It's a great move for the Spurs financially though. Casual fans wont realize this.
What happened first game of the season when both teams were at full strength? Yes they're a good team but Tiago will play this time. And gay will up their chemistry.
What about the stats I quoted you makes him a better option? The turnovers or the FG%?who said he's playoff messiah?
all I know is he's a much better option over the bag that has been Jefferson.
Or.......
Oh, it's his cojones then? We shall see.
lol similar stats. They're quite dissimilar over different metrics, and that's precisely the thing that makes this a coin flip.
like someone said, we traded a for a pair of balls
Come on hater, there are a lot of guys in the league who have a significantly larger sack than yJ. I agree with you there. We happened to get a quite inefficient one. It's gonna be interesting either way.
Like I said earlier, I hope Jack goes off like a roman candle a la 2003.
Start Jax.
he won't. and he won't need to. All he needs to do, and he will, is the job he was brought in for and he's automatically better than Jefferson.
Your so casual that the argument your presented is invalid.
Automatically?
I honestly hope its not to deliver 36% from the field.
Jackson definitely has some upside if he can regain some of his swagger. Think about it. Would the Warriors have beat the Mavs if you swap SJax for Jefferson?
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