Comparative threat at detroit's forum

[PakiDan]

I can't argue too much with that. I definetly take Prince over Bowen. He may not be quite as good defensively as Bowen, but he offers alot more offensively. As for Rip and Manu, based simply on stats, Rip is better. I do believe that Manu has a higher ceiling than Rip does. But for right now, and more importantly, for THIS team, Rip is better.

better stats? Yeah, he's made 20+ points pg a few times..... off of 40+ shots pg. That's not good stats.. thats crap!

[ambchang]

No one said "IN THIS SERIES"

regular season numbers

Rip-18.7 pts 4.9 asts. 3.9 rbs.
Manu-16 pts 3.9 asts. 4.4 rbs.

As I said, right now, Rip is slightly better....but long term, Manu will be the better of the 2

Prince-14.7 pts 3.0 asts. 5.3 rbs.
Bowen-8.2 pts 1.5 asts. 2.7 rbs.

Bowen is the man Defensively. But Prince is pretty good too. But I'll take his offense all day.

Stats are for losers. If you look at Magic's numbers over his career, he is not that much better than Stockton, and he'd be no where close to Bird, but guess what? He is!
Looking at the stats, who would've guessed that Dumars was such a defender? Who would have seen that Rodman was way better as a Piston than as a Spur?
You may say that I will choose Ginobili over Rip because all I have seen is how Bowen shutting down Rip this series. That is not true, I have seen Rip in the Miami series, and even though he was impressive, he doesn't have the ability of Ginobili, even at this point in time, to take over a game.
Bowen vs. Prince? If I were a GM, i would take Prince right now (age, offensive abilities), but then again, Bowen is such an amazing player because he is the best role player in the league right now (and that includes Horry).

[ambchang]

They haven't won in SA in a long time but they haven't lost an elimination game in a while either.

This hasn't lost in elimination game in a while thing is really misleading. What do you know? They won the championship last year, and they are still alive right now, so naturally, they HAVE to have won all of their elimination in the last two years, no?

[Supergirl]

The only two Pistons who have been "better" in this series are Billups and Big Ben. Ben has been dominant, no question. I've always known about his D, but I've been impressed by his O. And his FTs! He's been great.

Billups is bigger and stronger, but Parker is quicker. Billups makes him work, but Parker has made him work too, and when we've put Bowen on him, like in Game 5, it was very effective.

Bowen is more valuable to the Spurs than Rip is to the Pistons. THe Pistons could replace Rip if they needed to. And he's been a nonfactor because of Bowen's D, while Bowen has still been an offensive threat.

Tayshaun has been less than I thought he would. Credit Manu's defense for this. He's also been a nonfactor, and he's not the playmaker Manu is, so Manu gets the edge.

[The Mask]

This hasn't lost in elimination game in a while thing is really misleading. What do you know? They won the championship last year, and they are still alive right now, so naturally, they HAVE to have won all of their elimination in the last two years, no?

I meant when they are on the verge of being eliminated.