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    Talking about raising the cap to $50mm don't know what luxury cap threshold is. Spurs roster looks like this:

    in millions
    Tim- 16
    Manu-8
    Tony-11
    Bruce-3.1
    Nazr-5
    Rasho-6
    Brent-4
    Horry-1.3
    Devin-.5
    Beno-1.3
    Tmass-1.3

    Total= 57mm

    Priorities- Resign Horry and Devin. Bring in Scola. Seems like the money is already spent. BTW, writing a 57mm check doesn't seem cheap to me.

    Off topic but.... freaking Rasho and Barry making more than Bruce

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    Off topic but.... freaking Rasho and Barry making more than Bruce
    Bruce however is locked up for more years, which is also a benefit to him.

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    Fromwaydowntown,

    Why is it on hoopshype they don't include tony parkers salary as committed for next year?
    Boy, that's a good question -- I hadn't caught that.

    Putting pen to paper and estimating Parker's salary for next season, I'm changing my song right now -- there's absolutely no way the Spurs will be under the cap this off-season.

    Great catch 2centsworth. My bad for not double-checking my work.

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    I think that's right, travis. Don't take me as gospel on this.

    The more I think about the nuances of the cap structure, the more I'm convinced that the Spurs might just barely be over when the summer rolls around. That would probably be good news for those who've counted on the MLE as a means to sign Scola, while using Bird rights on guys like Devin.
    Think you may be right...

    hmmmmm...according to the USAToday numbers, the Spurs were at around $47M this year...with expected raises in committed salaries, that should easily push them over any number being pushed for a cap next year.

    Of course, there's no guarantee these numbers are right either...

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    Ok, so then they WILL have the MLE this summer, and in addition will have more space to work with under the luxury tax to resign players, correct?

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    Bruce however is locked up for more years, which is also a benefit to him.
    Bruce is locked up for 2 more years I think. we're stuck with Rasho for 4 more years and barry for 3.

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    Bruce is locked up for 2 more years I think. we're stuck with Rasho for 4 more years and barry for 3.
    I phrased that poorly. What I meant to put was that Bruce deal prior to being reworked paid him more per season but now it's spread out over more years, which is one reason why his annual amount is reduced.

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    I phrased that poorly. What I meant to put was that Bruce deal prior to being reworked paid him more per season but now it's spread out over more years, which is one reason why his annual amount is reduced.
    I thought that's what you meant, just checking.

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    Off topic but.... freaking Rasho and Barry making more than Bruce
    That's because Bruce renegotiated his contract so the team could get far enough under the cap to sign one last FA. That's just Bruce being Bruce...he's done that kind of stuff his entire career. It's not about money with Bruce, it's about winning. He's probably willing to give up more to win than any other player on the team and possibly in the NBA.

    His first year he gave up millions of dollars, played for only 700k, for the chance to start and play for a winner.

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    You know, I look at these cap numbers and the deals the Spurs have made of late and I find myself thinking:

    Derek Anderson?????????

    It makes me scratch my head. No mal intent to the dude, but this organization is very, very fortunate that it is not burdened by the albatross of the contract that he wanted (or even the "undervalued" deal that the Spurs offered him).

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    He wanted to be paid more than Drob too...We are lucky we didn't let Drob leave or we probably don't win the le in 03.

    We are also fortunate we never signed Chris Webber or Jason Kidd.

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    He wanted to be paid more than Drob too...We are lucky we didn't let Drob leave or we probably don't win the le in 03.

    We are also fortunate we never signed Chris Webber or Jason Kidd.
    True enough.

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    We are also fortunate we never signed Chris Webber or Jason Kidd.
    A healthy Cwebb would be nice to have on any team.

    Jason Kidd would look real nice playing for the spurs in this series. Problem was that the spurs lose Manu if they made that deal.

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    A healthy Cwebb would be nice to have on any team.
    I disagree, especially at that time, since neither Webber or Duncan can guard Shaq worth a flip...not to mention Webber is the biggest choker in the history of the world...but even if I didn't...Webber has been playing on a sprained ankle since about 1964...and he got injured in the 03 playoffs.


    Plus the karmic wrong we would have done to Drob...we'd have never deserved to win another le.

    Jason Kidd would look real nice playing for the spurs in this series. Problem was that the spurs lose Manu if they made that deal.

    That...and he's old and breaking down too...just like Webber.

    You don't ever sign unenven 30 something players to max 6 year deals.

    I was against both of deals and I was right on both of them.

    Plus Kidd is a loser...as evidenced by the fact that he chose the situation he is now in.

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    The Spurs will be over the cap next season for sure. They will just have the MLE and then the Early Birds/Birds of certain players to work with.

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    Are ya'll certain nothing changed with the exceptions?

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    Are ya'll certain nothing changed with the exceptions?
    I'm not certain because I haven't seen it in writing or heard it from Stern/Hunter. But from what I understand, it hasn't.

    I guess we'll know at the press conference at 4pm.

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    I can't imagine that there are huge structural changes in the agreement -- the players conceded on the age issue to an extent and the owners relented on the percentage of BRI that will determine the cap. They apparently also agreed to shorten max deals from 7 years to 6 (if you sign your own) and from 6 to 5 (if you sign someone else's) and to modify the tax structure.

    But with those trade-offs, the teams and the players both would want the exceptions to remain in place, so I can't imagine that anyone gave those up.

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    I am not anticipating they gave any up...but there was talk of splitting the MLE...personally I am not really in favor of that for this offseason. Although that could turn out to be helpful depending on how much interest there is in Robinson...

    It's possible we could get Scola and Robinson both with a split MLE.

    What am I hoping is that they added an exception for second round picks...I don't think there has been any mention of it...I am just hoping. It would be huge for us this offseason...

    It would allow us a good shot and bringing back Robinson AND bringing Scola over...instead of having choose between one or the other(what we will likely have to do).

    I think Bigg Dogg helps us now...no telling when or if Scola will start to pay dividends. I want both.

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    I am not anticipating they gave any up...but there was talk of splitting the MLE...personally I am not really in favor of that for this offseason.

    What am I hoping is that they added an exception for second round picks...I don't think there has been any mention of it...I am just hoping. It would be huge for us this offseason...
    I haven't heard anything about them doing the 2/3 1/3 split in a while. So either they setttled on it a while ago, or they nixed it a while ago.

    I've heard no mention ever regarding an exception for 2nd round picks.

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    I am not anticipating they gave any up...but there was talk of splitting the MLE...personally I am not really in favor of that for this offseason.

    What am I hoping is that they added an exception for second round picks...I don't think there has been any mention of it...I am just hoping. It would be huge for us this offseason...
    I see your point; hadn't heard anything about a second round exception, either, but it would be a boon if one magically appeared.

    I'm just wondering: at what point did that nickname acquire the second G's in each name. I had always understood Glenn's monniker to be "Big Dog," in the normal sense and not in any hip-hop sense. Though it's not terribly important, I'm honestly curious about that.

    I would agree that keeping Glenn Robinson around for next season would probably be more helpful in the short term for the Spurs, but at some point, you have to bring Scola over and now seems to be a prime time for getting that done.

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    LOL FWDT...

    I change the G's around in every post...and if I mention his name in multiple posts I change it around each time.

    Sometimes it's Big Dogg others it's Bigg Dog, and still others it's Bigg Dogg...but I never type just Big Dog...and I don't really know why I do that, I think it's got something to do with the two n's in Glenn...and maybe it's because I see Carr as the Big Dog.

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    Get it right Whottt...it's BIG DOGGIE!

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    I doubt we'll have enough PT for GRob to want to stick around.

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    Who knows though? Bigg Dog is younger than Bowen...

    Everyone loves Bruce...but I promise you, at 34, Pop is not thinking he's immortal. There is going to be a year where Bruce drops off(although he might still be in better shape than Robinson)...and let's say...before LJIII is ready for prime time...for this dynasty thing Pop is going to need a stop gap...Robinson fits that bill better than anyone I see on the horizon.

    I agree Robinson is probably not going to want to stick around in a reduced role(and it's probably stupid to try and get him to do so)...

    but at the same time...he hasn't had the impact we thought he would in the playoffs and I think it hurt his offseason stock...there might not be that much interest out there for him. Maybe more that 2 million dollars worth of interest...but not quite an MLE's worth...and if we win the le Robinson might just decide to bide his time for a season and get another ring(if we win this season)...

    It's really tough to say how it's going to play out.

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