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    So Paul seeks influence through less democratic means?

    Explain how this reflects the will of the people who bothered to vote.
    You are barking at the wrong tree. It's called Election rules.

    Similar to Gore vs. Bush 2000 and the Electoral College.

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    You are barking at the wrong tree. It's called Election rules.

    Similar to Gore vs. Bush 2000 and the Electoral College.
    It's precisely the right tree.

    Your contention is that Paul is using technicalities to secure delegates outside the more democratic process of primary elections.

    In fact, you are bragging about it. This is a good thing to you.

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    technicality

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    Yes, technicalities that undermine the more democratic process of primary elections in reflecting the will of those who actually vote.

    Why do you hate democracy?

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    Yes, technicalities that undermine the more democratic process of primary elections in reflecting the will of those who actually vote.

    Why do you hate democracy?
    Again, you are barking at the wrong tree.

    The rules are the rules and Paul is going by the book. Go whine about the rules to whoever made them up.

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    Let's clear some things up.

    A) The crowds Paul is attracting (6,000 one day, 10,000 the next, etc) are big for a candidate in primary season. only an idiot would disagree.

    B) Paul is not winning the election because the Republican party is still controlled by neocons.

    C) The reason this is newsworthy is because Paul is running one of the best ran elections in modern times, in terms of transparency, organization and ardent following.

    D) Paul is going to the Tampa convention with a ton of delegates and could prossibly play the role of kingmaker.

    pretty simple to understand tbh
    Pretty simple when you look at the facts you want to look at. You know why he's getting bigger crowds? Because thats what he goes for. While others are trying to get people to - get this - VOTE for them - Paul tries to get these rallies to show that he's a viable candidate.

    Um, ok?

    Congrats on winning the largest primary candidate crowd contest, I guess. That does not translate to anything meaningful.

    But what is really showing regarding your and other Paul supporters delusions is your contradictory ideas that:

    A) The neocons control the Republican Party and have shut Paul out.
    B) That Paul will somehow be able to play "king maker" at the giant Neocon party.

    People can convince themselves of anything, I suppose.

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    But what is really showing regarding your and other Paul supporters delusions is your contradictory ideas that:

    A) The neocons control the Republican Party and have shut Paul out.
    B) That Paul will somehow be able to play "king maker" at the giant Neocon party.

    People can convince themselves of anything, I suppose.
    A) The neocons won't let Paul win
    B) The delegates Paul has gives him influence at the Convention

    not contradictory at all and pretty easy to understand tbh

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    I will bet anything you'd like that Ron Paul will not be a major influence at the convention. Romney can pretty much pretend he doesn't exist and still win quite easily.

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    Again, you are barking at the wrong tree.

    The rules are the rules and Paul is going by the book. Go whine about the rules to whoever made them up.
    Paul can't win the nomination by the simpler democratic process. In fact he's proved time and again to be pretty terrible at it, so he must use other means.

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    If Ron Paul's success with crowds is so high, why doesn't that translate to success at the polls? I mean if he's reaching so many people and they agree with him why aren't they taking the simple action of voting for him? He's not even close to winning any of these contests.

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    If Ron Paul's success with crowds is so high, why doesn't that translate to success at the polls? I mean if he's reaching so many people and they agree with him why aren't they taking the simple action of voting for him? He's not even close to winning any of these contests.
    It's the neocons that are stealing primary elections but writing rules to give Paul delegates outside the primary process!

    NEOCONS, I tell you!

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    Paul can't win the nomination by the simpler democratic process.
    there is no such thing. I'd advice you read up on the GOP election system. Everyone is playing the same rules.

    In fact he's proved time and again to be pretty terrible at it, so he must use other means.
    The tens of thousands that wait for hours to hear Paul disagree with your opinion.

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    there is no such thing. I'd advice you read up on the GOP election system. Everyone is playing the same rules.
    And Ron Paul is losing the most democratic part of it across the board.



    The tens of thousands that wait for hours to hear Paul disagree with your opinion.
    The primary election results agree with that fact.

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    America is stupid. It's quite simple.

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    And Ron Paul is losing the most democratic part of it across the board.
    that is the least important part of this election process. What counts is delegates.

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    America is stupid. It's quite simple.
    pretty much

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    If Ron Paul's success with crowds is so high, why doesn't that translate to success at the polls? I mean if he's reaching so many people and they agree with him why aren't they taking the simple action of voting for him? He's not even close to winning any of these contests.
    Election fraud tbh, which has surprisingly been covered by Rachel Maddow a couple of times.

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    that is the least important part of this election process. What counts is delegates.
    Yeah, fantasy delegate counts don't count either.

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    Election fraud tbh, which has surprisingly been covered by Rachel Maddow a couple of times.
    Which fraud laws were broken and by whom?

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    shhh don't you know Ron Paul is irrelevant. Noone listens to him.

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    shhh don't you know Ron Paul is irrelevant. Noone listens to him.
    Practically no one votes for him in the primaries.

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    People who hate Ron Paul are the types that think that everything is fine and the government never does anything wrong or never keeps from its citizens.
    If you want to continue to see America do nation building overseas and making other countries hate us even more and also increasing the debt every minute with all the unrealistic obligations and goals that America has right now, then you shouldn't support Ron Paul. He doesn't support that .

    I'd love to see Ron Paul run as an independent just so it would piss off all the Romney and Obama drinkers.

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    People who hate Ron Paul are the types that think that everything is fine and the government never does anything wrong or never keeps from its citizens.
    If you want to continue to see America do nation building overseas and making other countries hate us even more and also increasing the debt every minute with all the unrealistic obligations and goals that America has right now, then you shouldn't support Ron Paul. He doesn't support that .

    I'd love to see Ron Paul run as an independent just so it would piss off all the Romney and Obama drinkers.
    Your sexual fantasy imagery aside, Obama supporters would welcome an independent Ron Paul run.

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    practically no one votes in primaries tbh

    11.5% yeesh

    http://www.bipartisanpolicy.org/libr...i-open-primari
    Yep, 10-12% is practically nothing in these contests. That's why he gets little national coverage.

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    dumper, we all know that you're still crossing your fingers on that new car and house that Obama promised you back in 2008 when you voted for him.

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