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I was making fun of Timvps use of the variables changed shtick. Not saying the variables didn't change.
How so? Please explain.
I was making fun of Timvps use of the variables changed shtick. Not saying the variables didn't change.
I made two separate statements:
1) I think the Spurs win it all
2) I think Tiago is a top 5 player on the team and doesn't get enough minutes.
I also made fun of timvp saying the variables thing and I'm sorry if that wasn't a serious convo as I know the thought of mixing serious convo with jokes is not what you're here for. It's show business, not show friends.
You like to argue, you always have. I'm halfway convinced that you would rather extend an argument than win one just to keep it going. From where I sit, you wind up taking self-contradicting positions over time in order to stick to a position or to perpetuate a debate. Now you're either doing that intentionally, which I would consider trolling, or you're unaware of it, which would make you dumb. For the record, I certainly don't think you're dumb which leaves me to conclude that you're trolling.
And no, I'm not going to cite examples (thus creating an entirely new debate) as I'm absolutely convinced that you know exactly what I'm talking about.
So DPG is allowed to change his own variables drastically enough following the trade to move the Spurs from non-contenders to "legit le" contenders, but he doesn't allow anyone else to adjust any opinion because the variables changed. That is some very interesting logic, tbh.
You obviously agree the variables have changed since you now think the changed variables have allowed the Spurs to take a quantum leap forward in their contending status, so what is your issue exactly?
Early in the season, Splitter appeared a must for clutch-time lineups based solely on his skill level. However, months later after a series of roster moves and nearly a season of basketball, variables have changed. In addition to the new additions, other players improved enough to change the variables.
For example, a lineup of Parker, Ginobili, Jackson, Leonard and Duncan very well could contain the five players on the team most capable of thriving in the clutch. Early in the season, Jackson was on the Bucks and Leonard was a passive, unproven rookie.
Variables change in the NBA everyday. I remember you thought James Anderson was the second coming during preseason. At that point, you probably would have been against the addition of Stephen Jackson since James Anderson was too good. But obviously, variables changed and now no one cares how SJax impacts James Anderson.
Variables change, bro, variables change.
I'm quite certain everyone does what you describe. I know you are an extraordinary literal person, no frills type. I fail to see how with regards to the Tiago issue (is he being utilized properly) and whether or not the Spurs can win it all (which I said they will) are self-contradictory. They are not mutually exclusive in my eyes and that was the point.
Mixing in lite jabs and arguing different points (when there are some parallels) is something I know you don't enjoy. You aren't here for banter it appears, just for serious convos that stick to one issue with little opinion involved. Not my style, but that's how you seemingly derive enjoyment from this site.
Point is, I really think you would struggle to find examples of me contradicting myself. I may not do the best job at times of articulating points, but with a little explanation I'm usually able to back up my arguments.
I think the contradictions come from saying things like the Spurs have no shot unless Tiago/Tim play together to saying the variables have changed that while also saying the new players probably won't do much so temper expectations.
To me there is no point in solely saying what has actually happened; you need to have opinions on what you think will happen supported by what info we have.
You asked for an explanation. I gave you one. Sorry that you didn't like it and found it necessary to ascribe a set of traits to me that help you to rationalize an explanation that you asked for.
*variables change*
No. You're missing my point. Variables do change and have. The difference in you and I in this regard though is I gave the Spurs a 0% chance at winning in the playoffs regardless of Tiago's time with Tim and you gave the Spurs a shot if that were to happen.
So DPG is allowed to change his own variables drastically enough following the trade to move the Spurs from non-contenders to "legit le" contenders, but he doesn't allow anyone else to adjust any opinion because the variables changed. That is some very interesting logic, tbh.
You obviously agree the variables have changed since you now think the changed variables have allowed the Spurs to take a quantum leap forward in their contending status, so what is your issue exactly?
Early in the season, Splitter appeared a must for clutch-time lineups based solely on his skill level. However, months later after a series of roster moves and nearly a season of basketball, variables have changed. In addition to the new additions, other players improved enough to change the variables.
For example, a lineup of Parker, Ginobili, Jackson, Leonard and Duncan very well could contain the five players on the team most capable of thriving in the clutch. Early in the season, Jackson was on the Bucks and Leonard was a passive, unproven rookie.
Variables change in the NBA everyday. I remember you thought James Anderson was the second coming during preseason. At that point, you probably would have been against the addition of Stephen Jackson since James Anderson was too good. But obviously, variables changed and now no one cares how SJax impacts James Anderson.
Variables change, bro, variables change.
The other difference is I instantly was of the opinion that the new variables would have a large impact on the team while you outlined why they probably don't do much (either washed up and questionable at ude in Jax or fitness and motivation in Diaw) to change things from a le perspective.
In that regard, you saying Tiago is needed before the moves shouldn't have changed like you say it did with the variables if you truly believed Tiago would be the difference in winning or not.
In my scenario, while I think Tiago deserves more minutes (which is a separate argument vs the contending) I never thought even with that the Spurs would have a shot even if he got those minutes. In my scenario I thought that the variables has to change independent of the Tiago situation in order for there to be a shot at winning it all. They did change and where we were different was I instantly thought those moves and impact put he Spurs over the top where your expectations were much more tempered.
If those were your real expectations of the basketball ramifications, then in that context the Splitter variable shouldn't have changed so drastically IMO.
I never said the variables didn't change; I poked at you because you use that line for several things and based on your previous comments I didn't see how it changed so much from your angle.
10/10, ya'll been trolled imho
So because you gave the Spurs a 0% chance and I gave the Spurs a 1% chance, you get freedom to change your stances more drastically due to the changed variables? We done been trolled, tbh.
You pretty much covered it. Between Diaw and then Jackson and Leonard, as small ball options, there's enough closing options at the four now, that it's no longer a complete and total must. Especially when you consider two of the main contenders. The Thunder close with Durant at the four and the Heat usually close with Haslem at the four, or sometimes James. Haslem is undersized and not a post up threat though, so Pop could easily get away with Jackson closing at the four. As for the Bulls, Pop wouldn't play them together against them, unless Boozer suddenly began to play like the Boozer of five years ago.
I actually think the Bulls are the worst match-up of the bunch. Obviously, they're extremely tough defensively, but they're also the best rebounding team in the league. Pop would probably close with Bonner against them, which would lead to the Spurs getting bludgeoned on the glass. Plus, Gibson is the ideal Bonner defender. He'd be hard pressed to get a clean look, so the Spurs would probably get nothing out of him.
Bonner will likely be the main closing option period, unless Diaw starts to show more of a proclivity to take and make threes again. Pop probably views them as close enough defensively and on the glass, that Bonner's superior shooter and corporate knowledge, should win out. Even against the Lakers and Grizzlies, I wouldn't be surprised if Pop tried to get away with Bonner closing. They'll probably be a shorter leash than playoffs past, though.
You're ignoring the other half of the post. It wasn't just the pre-variables take. It was your take vs mine AFTER the moves were made. I thought the instant impact made us contenders. You're expectations we're way more tempered.
In any event it was a little joke the variables comment
It seems like everybody on the roster has started at PF except Splitter. I would prefer Tiago be given a chance but I think the next best thing is probably Diaw.
It's going to be interesting to see if Pop plays Duncan and Splitter together more in the upcoming games against the Lakers. But I doubt he will.
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