Meanwhile, the real GOP war on women continues..

[mabrignani]

[Blake]

That is considered life. The question is when does it become human life.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What has recently happened that caused you to believe the catholic church wants to outlaw contraception or birth control?

When did the catholic church become the real GOP?

when the zygote doesn't even have a spine?...What?

When did I say anything about a national law?

You may not be stupid but you are certainly intellectually lazy. i didn't mention the GOP. As for something 'recent' how about the most recent issue of the Catholic church denying insurance coverage for contraception? You been living under a rock your entire life?

The Catholic Church is opposed to artificial contraception and orgasmic acts outside of the context of marital intercourse.[2] This belief dates back to the first centuries of Christianity.[3] Such acts are considered intrinsically disordered because of the belief that all licit sexual acts must be both unitive (express love), and procreative (open to procreation). The only form of birth control permitted is abstinence. Modern scientific methods of "periodic abstinence" such as natural family planning (NFP) were counted as a form of abstinence by Pope Paul VI in his 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae.[4] The following is the condemnation of contraception:

Therefore We base Our words on the first principles of a human and Christian doctrine of marriage when We are obliged once more to declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun and, above all, all direct abortion, even for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as lawful means of regulating the number of children. Equally to be condemned, as the magisterium of the Church has affirmed on many occasions, is direct sterilization, whether of the man or of the woman, whether permanent or temporary. Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means.

Its a central tenant of Catholicism that sex is evil except for for love and procreation. As the quote points out is been that way for a long long time. You ever read City of God?

Further:

After a female egg is fertilized, the resulting one-celled organism becomes known as a zygote. Once the egg is fertilized, the zygote begins a two-week period of rapid cell division and will eventually become an embryo. The zygote divides through a process known as mitosis, in which each cell doubles by dividing into two cells. This two-week stage is known as the germinal period of development and covers the time of conception to the implantation of the embryo in the uterus.

In most cases, each male and female sex cell contain 23 chromosomes. When these two haploid cells join, they form a single diploid cell that contains a total of 46 chromosomes. The zygote begins a journey down the fallopian tube to the uterus where it must implant in the lining in order to obtain the nourishment it needs to grow and survive.

The period of the zygote lasts for about four days. Around the fifth day, the mass of cells becomes known as a blastocyst. The germinal period will last for fourteen days, after which the embryonic period will begin. The second period of development lasts from two weeks after conception through the eighth week, during which time the organism is known as an embryo. At the ninth week post-conception, the fetal period begins. From this point until birth, the organism will be known as a fetus.

http://psychology.about.com/od/zindex/g/def_zygote.htm

Within four days no individual organs have been developed.

As for your notion that laws that do not concern you are none of our business:

So here we go. The law as is worked. Now we non-Floridians can stop demanding that they change their laws.

But the state is saying that this isn't 'stand your ground'. Why do you want to change a states law you don't live in? Unless you do live there.

Do you need me to spell it out to you in simpler terms?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's just making up again.

See the above post and and we have discussed this before. If you are going to claim that i am stupid or that i am making stuff up then you should at least point to something that demonstrates that. Examples of that include:

Claiming that there are no 1F capacitors but instead they were limited to uF when you work with caps every day.

Claiming that flywheels do not store energy when you work with generators.

Trying to normalize statistics from two different sets of data with an arbitrary function from a third data set.

Taking the last ten points of a data set that consists of thousands of data points and trying to make claims on the whole set.

Claiming localized combustion in the troposphere caused the Earth to flood such as described in the Bible.

Claiming that a sterilization program for the poor was not eugenics.

Claiming that in american justice there were cases of an innocent verdict instead of a not guilty one. BTW i am still waiting for an example of this.

That is just off the top of my head. What specifics of me do you have or are you just blindly throwing out insults. You say stupid as a matter of coure. Thats why i call you stupid because you demonstrate it time and time again. Its not just your occasional gaffe.

[AFBlue]

So the repubs strategy to use this to alienate woman from dems won't work? However the dems doing the exact same thing will?

They're both contrived arguments, but I don't think the goal should be to justify or validate either one.

[Jacob1983]

How many casualties have there been during this war? How many women have died during this war?


What's the difference between killing a baby that has been in a woman's womb for 2 or 3 months and killing a baby that has been in a woman's womb for 7 or 8 months? Why is it that the baby that has been int he woman's womb for 7 or 8 months is viewed as worthy of life and more important than the baby that has only been in the woman's womb at 2 or 3 months? Isn't that picking and choosing?


If a person opposes abortion, why does that automatically mean that they hate women?

[Blake]

How many casualties have there been during this war? How many women have died during this war?


What's the difference between killing a baby that has been in a woman's womb for 2 or 3 months and killing a baby that has been in a woman's womb for 7 or 8 months? Why is it that the baby that has been int he woman's womb for 7 or 8 months is viewed as worthy of life and more important than the baby that has only been in the woman's womb at 2 or 3 months? Isn't that picking and choosing?


If a person opposes abortion, why does that automatically mean that they hate women?

Why do you like to build your questions out of straw?

[spursncowboys]

[QUOTE
=AFBlue;5792896]They're both contrived arguments, but I don't think the goal should be to justify or validate either one.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but my point was the electorate, not people who are so involved in politics that we discuss it on a political forum.

[spursncowboys]

You may not be stupid but you are certainly intellectually lazy. i didn't mention the GOP. As for something 'recent' how about the most recent issue of the Catholic church denying insurance coverage for contraception? You been living under a rock your entire life?



Its a central tenant of Catholicism that sex is evil except for for love and procreation. As the quote points out is been that way for a long long time. You ever read City of God?

Further:



http://psychology.about.com/od/zindex/g/def_zygote.htm

Within four days no individual organs have been developed.

As for your notion that laws that do not concern you are none of our business:





Do you need me to spell it out to you in simpler terms?

I mentioned the gop because that is the op. The catholic church to my knowledge does not lobby anyone to outlaw contraception, just do not want to pay for something they believe goes against their beliefs. I believe they should have that freedom to choose what they cover for their health insurance.

[boutons_deux]

"catholic church to my knowledge does not lobby anyone to outlaw contraception"

very hard to know that, since religious lobbyists/arm-twisters don't have to register as lobbyists. That's another privilege for the "warred on", persecuted religions.